Grade the overall draft

Not to argue, but I'm gonna. It's Qb, CB, T, EDGE, ,and so on. A great Qb, and CB can make up for many deficiencies on each of their side of the ball.

 

Using some of the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL is not a good example.I never said it was guaranteed to work, but the odds were going to be better for the Steelers to be a true contender... Of course, if the front office isn't good, it doesn't matter

 

You are bantering with someone who just wants to be right for once in the Season Record Prediction
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Again. I don't make excuses to make what I believe work like certain people, all I did was give facts of teams that draft year after year high. Did you want me to cherry pick for you?? If what You , and a few of you think is true those teams wouldn't be drafting high as much as they do.

 

Disagree. You can control the LOS on D if you don't have to help your backfield out so much with schemes. If I can take away where you want to throw, I can get to you with less talent, and I can also play the run without having to worry about not having to help my backfield if you are play acting.
Let's look at Dallas, and SF. What was the difference between who won SBs between them during the 90s? I believe a CB. Where he went , that's who won.

 

I'm not missing the point. I'm demonstrating to you why it doesn't hold up. I am showing you instances when the Steelers went against our thinking with outstanding results. They did it with Troy Polamalu and got a Hall of Famer who helped them reach three Super Bowls, winning two of them. They did it by trading a first-round pick for Fitzpatrick and it got them an All-Pro. They were lucky to get another former first-rounder in Farrior and got another key championship component.

Look at it the other way. The Steelers played in three Super Bowls from 2005 through 2010. One common thread among those teams is they had an elite safety who was taken in the first round, Polamalu. Another common thread was a stud inside linebacker who had also been taken in the first round in Farrior. Do you think they win those two Super Bowls and appear in the third without those guys?

By the way, the other starting inside linebacker on that 2010 team was Lawrence Timmons, another first-round pick.

You say they need to focus more on guards and tackles in the first round of the draft. The starting offensive line for the 2010 team that made the Super Bowl didn't have a single former first-round pick. Flozell Adams was he highest pick on that line. He was drafted in the second round. The same was true of the 2008 Super Bowl championship team. They didn't have a single offensive lineman who had been a first-round draft pick.

Of the three most recent Super Bowl appearances, only the 2005 team had first-rounders on the offensive line. That team had three of them, but none at tackle. It was their two guards, Faneca and Simmons, and their center, Hartings. Isn't guard near the end of your priority list? Isn't center left off it entirely?

We can do this with the teams of the '70s, too. Mike Webster was a fifth-round pick. Sam Davis was not drafted. John Kolb was a third-rounder. Larry Brown was a converted tight end and a fifth-round pick. Gerry Mullins was taken in the fourth. The 1979 team didn't have a single former first-round pick on the offensive line.

To be fair, those teams didn't have high draft picks at safety and linebacker, either, but this idea that you have to spend all your first-round picks on what you think of as premium positions doesn't hold up.

Prime quarterback beats prime anything, but as for the rest, that isn't necessarily the case.

You also have to figure in the likelihood of the player giving you a prime results. Thieneman, for example, is a better bet to succeed this year and beyond than Eheanachor. The latter might have a higher ceiling. Maybe. But he also has a much lower floor.

 

I didn’t see that coming

 

None of the Steelers' Super Bowl championship teams started a first-round pick at tackle. None of them.

The last two featured a safety and an inside linebacker who were first-round picks.

While the Steelers of the '70s did have a first round cornerback, J.T. Thomas, none of their teams that reached the Super Bowl in in '05, '08, or '10 had a first-round corner. In fact, you could argue that cornerback was the weakest part of all three of those defenses and they did just fine.

 

This is why I don't watch NBA anymore!

 

GM's and Owners matter. Look no further than Jets and Browns. Trends are not excuses. Those are bad franchises that make bad decisions and it shows.

Steelers made a bad decision by hanging on to a HC about 10 years too long.

Steelers are going to make another bad decision by rolling out Rodgers this year at QB instead of throwing Howard and Allar to the fire.

 

I agree with this, however the Browns drafted well last year and this year didn't look too bad neither. Maybe they're learning from their mistakes finally. The Jets on the other hand.... still the Jets for now.

 

That's awesome. Now explain the Giants, Arizona, Raiders, and others.
You , and your losing seasons bring you championship cronies say one thing, and then to cover your mistakes, and misconceptions then move the goal post to cover your a$$es.
All I know for a fact is this, and I don't care how You move the goal post. If You don't make the playoffs, you can't win playoff games, and you can't win a SB

 

Finally,you agree that you can't win the Super Bowl if you can't win playoffs games!

That's a start!

 

I can't move any goal posts until we have a losing season... draft a QB in the top 10, that QB fails like Pickett..... and then I have to explain why. Again... how can I move goal posts when the losing season hasn't happned yet?

 

Try learning to read. You can't win a playoff game without making the playoffs. Oh No!!! That means you can draft high. OMG

 

Really how about Mahomes, A. Rodgers, L. Jackson , Tom Brady, Brock Purdy, Joe Montana, and Drew Brees. I guess those guys suck. Guess what they either weren't drafted by teams with a losing record, or weren't drafted anywhere in the top 20, or both, and could have been drafted by almost every team in the 1st round, even with a winning season.

 

Almost half of the league make the playoffs but the AFC had so many awful team in 2025 like the browns,Burrow-less Bengals for half of the season,jets,raiders,titans,a chiefs team with a down year,a brutal dolphins team,a colts team who did not win a single game in their final 7 games and a disappointing Ravens team who fired their head coach after 18 seasons

Making the playoffs is not an accomplishment like it was when only 5 or 6 teams per conference made the playoffs.

 

Again for the slow people in back. Y o u c a n n o t g o t o t h e SB if y o u don't make the playoffs. No freaking matter how you want to twist this , move this, switch words around, this is a freaking fact.

 

LoL. I was actually hoping you wouldn't think about him. LoL. Still what I said is true.

 

I never said You couldn't get a great CB in a different round. I would say that Ike Taylor was the best CB we've had on this team that was actually drafted by this team since Woodson, and now JPJ.

 

Okay, so we agree on one thing, prime QB beats prime safety. That's a good start.

But it seems like you think all other positions are equal, am i getting that right?

Again, the reason why you keep missing my point us that you are purposely limiting the sample size. The Steelers Superbowl teams isnt the right sample population. Rather, the NFL as a whole is.

My point is NOT that you cant win with a weak draft strategy, of course you can. If you have a good organization, great coaches and perhaps a great QB... And suppose you get a Perennial pro bowl stud at a low value position like safety and slso hit at a higher rate in later rds... of course you can win...But that's besides the point. Strategically, its not the best way to attempt to become or stay good.

Let me explain it differently...

Suppose there were 2 teams:

Team A has the best 2 Tackles, 2 WRs, 2 CBs, 2 Pass Rushers, 2 D-Tackles and 1 of the 2 best Guards. And average players at every other position

Team B had the best Center, the best TE, the 2 best Safeties, 3 best Line backers, Best Running back and Full back, and one of the 2 best Gaurds, and average players at every other position.

Both teams got Superstar QBs . Which team do you suppose would win? Team A Everytime...

That's the point.

But that's the thing though, its a guess. You never know. If it was knowable, the best players will simply go first. Watts would never have been our pick if teams ahead of us knew how good hed become. Same with Polamalu.

I mean we traded up for a cant miss! Devin Bush... Or the 2 cant miss Devin Linebacker... Both ended up being average or a flop in the case of our Bush...

There is no guarantee any player will hit. But you draft the more important positions because a hit in those positions give you more bang for your buck.

You don't have to take my word for it. Simply follow the money... Check the highest paid at each position and you'd easily spot which ones are the more valuable positions. Every team is happy ro pay them more.

Its either the NFL is collectively stupid or you are wrong. Im going to go ahead and bet you are wrong. There are more valuable positions than others

And its my theory (and many teams already do this ) that you should take your best shot at those premium positions in the first rd where the % chance of hitting is highest.