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Pickett ranked worst first rd QB in last 5 years

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 28, 2026.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    See moving the goal post. Was Polamalu draft, or not drafted after a winning season Yes , or No. Was 8-8 a losing season yes , or no?? Was TJ Watt draft after a winning season?? No just like Your little buddy that agrees with anything you say , You can't do it without moving the goal post. Every one of them I name were not taken in a losing season so stop trying to weasel your way out of the truth. It's not very becoming of You.
     
  2. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    You think the NBA is bad? Watch for some epic tanking in 2026 by teams looking for a QB. If even half the QBs show out this season you're looking at maybe 3 in the top 10 picks.
     
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  3. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    How is pointing out Steelers weren't picking low enough in 2003 in order to draft Polamalu with their original pick... moving the goal post? Steelers traded up and got Polamalu... and it worked out great, unlike Devin Bush. It's a fact. Steelers had to trade up to get Polamalu after a winning season... because Polamalu would have been GONE if they had stuck with their original pick. And Bell was not picked after a winning season. In 2013, a winning season required a 9-7 record. 8-8 is not a winning record.
     
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  4. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    The tanking in the NFL will never be at the NBA level of this year....10 teams are just awful in the NBA,the tank job by teams like the jazz and others in the last few years are such a disgrace

    Of course,to be honest I would love to see the steelers doing a similar rebuild that the OKC Thunder several years ago, but that also requires a Herschel Walker-type trade (SGA-Paul George and so many first round pick in the NBA case), which is so unlikely.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :lolol: How can you miss the point and get the point at the same time lol. Your first paragraph misses it and your second paragraph gets it. Yes dude, it’s all because of better draft position that people say that. And to be clear, what myself and others say is we would rather have a bad season than just eke out a 9 or 10 win season, make the playoffs just to get embarrassed over and over and over. Maybe you enjoy that sort of futility, lot of us don’t.

    As for better draft position not making a difference, one of the most absurd things I have ever seen said on here. Do you think every front office is equal? You’re talking about perennial losing organizations that are consistently drafting high because they are poorly run teams.

    Yes, I mentioned TJ and that you can find studs later in the draft but to pretend having better access to the top end talent doesnt make a difference is a break from reality. You’re pointing to the occasional hits that we have had, hell, I’ll raise you completely failed draft classes which we have had far too many of towards the end of Colberts tenure.

    Better draft position matters, you still have to make the most of it and draft well.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    My guy if you cant tell the difference between knocking on the door to the SB and being humiliated in the first rd 6 years running, often being down 21 points, there is no point discussing it further.
     
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  7. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We Are

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    But I still anticipate it happening ;)
     
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  8. Eichburgh

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    True. But Rodgers played a HELL of a lot better with us last season than I thought he would. He was cerebral. His arm was live. He is very much capable of winning a playoff game with a good supporting cast. 3,322 yards, 24 TDs, 7 INTs. In this offense? It was a crime we couldn't give him a weapon opposite DK. Nor could we give him consistent pass protection. Fix those two things and he can win a playoff game (assuming the D doesn't give up a 40-burger).

    4,048 yards, 25 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions.. you know who's stats they were? Super Bowl winning team.

    And I'm certainly not for giving Rudolph the reigns. I'm just not sure we've ever seen him in a proper system for him.
     
  9. Eichburgh

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    Trent Dilfer tried!
     
  10. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Super Bowls can be won with average QBs.... Dilfer, Johnson, Williams, Foles, Hostetler, Hurts, Theismann are examples. Just better have a damn good D... and all of those QBs had that in common. A damn good defense.
     
  11. S.T.D

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    No I can't. You either make the playoffs , or You don't, and You either then win enough games to make the SB , or You don't.
    I've proven 5 million times that there is no stepping stone. If there was , the Bills would have been in the SB already. The Jet who went to two AFC Championships back to back would have been, the Jags would have been, hell the Lions would have been, and so on, and so on.
    What many of You are saying is it's better to lose, and not make the playoffs, then to lose in the playoffs, and there is nothing you can say that makes that make any sense whatsoever, and I don't know one single person that has ever played organized sports that while they are playing would rather that happen.
    Here is what many of You are saying......It's OK to have a losing season so You get a better draft pick, but it's bad to lose in the playoffs unless you win at least one game, which would make it even harder to get a good pick, and You are still not making the SB. LoL . Actually think about that, and make it make sense.
     
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  12. S.T.D

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    Because I said that they drafted him after a winning season. I noticed you couldn't answer the question. Was either Polamalu, Bell, Ab, or Watt drafted after a losing season??? Yes , or No?? It's a simple question.
     
  13. S.T.D

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    Not close Dilfer had 12 tds, and 11 ints.
    P. Manning had 9 td , and 17 ints. I don't think any Qb in the history of the NFL had that bad of a regular season, and won a SB.
     
  14. HeinzMustard

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  15. S.T.D

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    If better draft position matters why do so many of the teams that always draft high keep drafting high??
    I just named some of the best players at their position, not only for the Steelers, but throughout the league, and I can give more. That were drafted after a non losing season.
    Watt, Polamalu, AB, L. Bell. Hell thats not including all the players not taken in the 1st round that were great, and therefore could have been taken by any team. History shows that higher draft picks does not equal success.
     
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  16. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Explain the Rams, 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots... who have had top 10 draft picks recently and losing seasons, but ended up with game-changing top 10 picks. Hell... Eagles went 4-11 in 2020 and appeared in 2 Super Bowls afterwards... winning one of them. Eagles were able to draft players like Jalen Carter, Cooper DeJean and Quinyonn Mitchell after 4-win season. Don't even get me started on the Patriots. :rolleyes:

    You've lost this argument.
     
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  17. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah that means everything . LoL. If I gave everything possible to prove you wrong, in your mind I would still lose this argument to You. Some people don't like facts, they like feelings, and facts be dang.
    I can name teams over , and over who have had losing seasons, and still never reached a SB.
    So what are You saying the Bills much have some losing seasons before they can make a SB?? The Ravens must lose more seasons before they can reach a SB. The Rams must lose some seasons before they can?? LoL Do even know how ridiculous that sounds. I said before, I know when I'm correct when You can't answer a question.
     
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  18. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Top 10 draft pick for Rams, Ravens and Bills would do wonders for their teams. Probably put them over the top. Happened to the Broncos in the early to mid 90's. Built a team that eventually won 2 Super Bowls in late 90's. Elway was on the team during those down years. It could happen to Allen and LJ.
     
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  19. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    See You are making my argument. The Broncos got good because of a 6th round draft pick rb called T. Davis and a undrafted Wr called Rod Smith. Yeah You really must lose to get a 6th round rb pick,and a undrafted wr player. LoL
     

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