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is there any chance worilds is a surprise cut?

with the play of JJ. robinson,carter,sly,woodley is he worth keeping for a year or one of the extra ilb's that are playing well?

since they are teaching sly both spots, and the two bone headed plays last week that PO'ed MT, is there a possibility of him being the odd man out?

 

I don't think there's any way we cut Worilds. Although, I do think it's pretty cut and dry when it comes to whether or not Worilds starts (or isn't replaced by week 4). Meaning, I haven't seen the explosion or speed from Worilds that make me think he can be an effective pass rusher, or a dependable asset in pass coverage. I've only seen JJ for one game, but I saw more potential after one game in JJ than I've seen in any game from Worilds.

I think Worilds will be a serviceable back-up. I don't think he's the answer LeBeau needs for his defense to be effective. If Jarvis isn't the real deal, then we just wasted a first round pick.

Let's face it, we don't win enough games to make it into/through the playoffs if our defense can't keep the offenses operating under pressure. That means 3 things, none of which Worilds is the answer for, but all of which JJ will need to do to help us win games...
1. Pressure the QB - even if it's not sacks, he's got to be running for his life, not just taking a little side-swipe after releasing the ball. The days of "making the QB pay for being patient in the pocket" are over. We need to get there early enough to break up the play.
2. Coverage skills for the underneath stuff and the athletic ability to drop in the second level without getting torched.... every LB gets beat once in a while, but we need it be less than in the past.
3. And, probably most important, holding the edge and forcing 2nd and long on a regular basis. JJ took some risks in game one by cheating to the inside and the RB generally got around the edge when he did. This is something that's learned, but JJ's got to understand he can only take this risk if he's going to catch the RB in the backfield. Worilds can't afford to even take the risk... he's too slow.

So, for whatever my opinion is worth, I think Worilds is much better than Carter and co., but he's not the answer. He may develop more in the next year or two, but for now, I'm good with some healthy rotation to spell either side, so I certainly wouldn't want to see him cut.

 

I can't see him being cut. There's no upside to it. At worst they need him for depth. Nobody on the roster besides Woodley and Jones that are better than him.

 

He's always been better on Woodley's side. Why not see if Woodley can make the switch?

 

yes there is a chance. and that chance is 0%

HINES

 

No he won't be cut. But next year's re-signings are going to very, very interesting.

As I see it, other than Ben or Heath, there is no one let on offense that they can do anything with contract wise. So practically all of the "moves/changes" are going to have to come on the defensive side of the ball.

 

next year is poounceys last year anyone think he will sign an extension before this season. no way can we let him go

 

no way. Let him walk. (Good thing I found this article) I have a theory that most here fall victim to the power of any average player wearing a Steelers uni. Once an average player puts on this Steelers uni he becomes way over valued by this and any Steelers site......
Seriously, This roster has issues and people need to stop looking at it with rose colored glasses. Look at the other post on this site about who reminds people of who or read link below.
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-bustin-off-the-same-old-charts-699722/

 

You don't win all pro three times just because you are a steeler

 

Take off rose color shades and read the article

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/steelers-bustin-off-the-same-old-charts-699722/

 

No.

 

Wow, you came up with that theory all by yourself, did you? That Steelers fans like Steelers players more than other fans? And that they think the Steelers players are better than fans of other teams do? Actually, I guess you didn't come up with that all by yourself. Yeah, it sure is a good thing you found that article! Now we all know we've been doing it wrong! After all, it's not like fans have been debating about how good players are since sports were invented or anything. And homerism is definitely something undiscovered before ProFootballFocus came around.

Jesus, at least fans who overrate their own players have a reason at heart, even if they are wrong. God knows I'm on here all the time telling people they're wrong about certain players in one way or another. But I find the blind following of PFF far more pathetic.

"Look everybody! I'm hip because I don't think this player everyone agrees is good is actually good! I'm new! I'm cutting edge! Pay attention to me! People only think Pouncey is good because of the Pittsburgh Pouncey Hype Machine! He's really barely even average! Fight the machine!"

"Shut up. Pouncey had no more hype coming out of college than anyone else, and didn't start to get it in Pittsburgh until he started playing games. And since when does Pittsburgh have any kind of hype machine at all, anyway? In a league run by stats, they've always had far more underrated players than overrated players: Ben Roethlisberger, Hines Ward, Casey Hampton, Aaron Smith, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Heath Miller - where are their hype machines? The guys that DO get hype don't just get it for nothing. Mike Wallace is a flashy guy, the fastest player in the league, and puts up numbers. Troy Polamalu is a once in sport's history player with his crazy style of play, a unique quirk (hair), and numbers. Alan Faneca got hype, but not until he'd been doing it a long time. In fact, the reaction was so delayed that his hype peaked after he did. Pouncey is considered one of the best because that's what people see when they watch him play. PFF can't handle the idea that others disagree with them and so they conjure up reasons why everyone besides them must be crazy. Besides, PFF does good things, but they have their flaws, too. Part of their stuff is based on subjective grades, but part of it is based on numbers they pull, too. In the case of Pouncey, they look at the success the Steelers have running up the middle. Surely as a Steelers fan you can understand that we have had issues running up the middle unrelated to Pouncey, right? Like the guards, the OC, etc. My god, we had Kemo and Legursky and Essex at guard, and BA calling the plays! It'd be a miracle if we had any success at all. In the case of Redman scoring such a high elusiveness rating (it's in that article you're looking at, the one with the sticky pages), they are basing it all on numbers: missed tackles per touch. That's a neat stat, but what is it really worth? I say this all the time, any given missed tackle is only as good as the yards you get after it. Redman makes some amazing runs where he makes like 6 guys miss, but he only gets an extra yard or two for each tackle he breaks. The whole thing is in slow motion. It's amazing talent and fun to watch, but what's the difference between Redman churning down the field, dragging linebackers behind him like the are children and not falling down until he broke 6 tackles gained 20 yards... and Mendenhall breaking 1 tackle at the line of scrimmage, then running 20 yards and skipping out of bounds? No difference to the Steelers, but Redman is now a far better running back according to PFF. Saying he's the most elusive RB in the whole league implies a lot, considering eluding defenders is like, by far the biggest thing a RB even has to do. It kind of implies Redman is the best back in the league, or close to it. The truth is that Redman has some great skills and can do great things, but he's not the most effective running back out there, regardless of one ultra-specific stat. Everyone who just watches the games seems to know that. Everyone knew we needed to bring in another running back, and we did. We paid a really high price for one, too."

"But... but.... PFF says!!"

 

I doubt they sign Pouncey to an extension this year. They will have somewhere around 10 to 12 basically "one year rentals" to contend with first. The current ~$4.5mil surplus is just enough to cover next year's (2014) dead money charges. There are going to be a lot more changes again come next year.

 

Not this year Mac.

 

Lol

 

I noticed worilds playing woodley's spot quite a bit last week.

carter had at least one pass play that he beat the tackle deep and was inches from grabbing the qb's arm, so the pressure was there from him. he looked much quicker around the edge. robinson does some good things too. as far as sly, well wheaton took care of that game for him but he looks pretty active this year, like the light has gone on.

i'm sure we will see some more from these guys tonight to get a better insight. to me they have all improved, but also to me worilds has stayed about the same. with his PF calls against him maybe has taken a step backwards.
if the others make strides forward and he takes a step back, do we really have a guy that's that far ahead of any other backup that will be splitting time with JJ?

I truly don't think he's right side material. he's a poor man's Woodley in my eye's. i'm going to be watching this battle more closely tonight.

this is basicly the last hurrah for backups and guys to make the team. after this our starters go into gameplan mode for game 3 and the coaches know pretty well who's staying. this is the big make the 53 game, and maybe 1 or 2 guys for the PS. the other PS players will be set mostly by age and need at depth.

 

and BOOM goes the dynamite

 

first off hi snack, where ya been?

I don't think we paid to high of a price for bell. worilds,adams,gilbert and even Woodley. they were 2nd rounders too, so i'm thinking he'll do as good if not better then those guys in his career.

you also have to read between the lines a little on PFF, instead of reading it as gospel. they look at specific things and lump a lot of players in the fray.

you have to consider snaps taken by players. some guys are based on 100 snaps as opposed to guys playing 600 snaps. there is a lot of leeway that has to be given to they're rankings, but it is a tool for certain things. more so then it means this guy is better than this guy overall.

 

Lets watch a few more pre-games.. after Carolina the axe will be in motion and if Jason don't show more discipline along with much needed production he will be wacked along with any other incompetent player. (especially this yr.)

 

Worilds won't be cut this year. It doesn't make sense. At the moment he is the best backup we have for Woodley. Robinson, Carter, Jones, Baxter, and the like all have not proven themselves. At least Worilds has shown he can be the backup on one side. Next year he might not be back, but you never know.