Steelers hire Evans for the OL.

Exactly! That problem lives through out corporate America, the military, police and fire departments. People can be good at their jobs standing on their own and still have that flaw. MT in my opinion. I've always thought he was a good head coach, good motivator but he never surrounded himself with the best people available. It kept him from being great. I'm retired now but I learned in my younger days that you have to be secure enough to allow yourself to be challenged by your subordinates. Another reason he has basically no coaching tree. I hope MM knows that well. If I'm a team leader in any field, I want the best on my team. I don't want yes men just to so I can feel more secure.

 

Not for Dallas. The tone is set by the owner and no one else.

 

Heck he couldn’t handle the coaches he had.

 

I will grant that Dallas is a circus that no one has successfully navigated since Jimmy Johnson.

But in Green Bay the ownership and FO are an almost non-existent presence and the local media is about as friendly and fawning as it gets.

And McCarthy era teams would repeatedly fold up when the first injury hit or the first series of bad bounces didn't go their way.

When it was all singing and everyone was healthy, Rodgers, Jordy, DD, Jennings, etc could put up points in the blink of an eye and make magic happen on the field. They were never out of it and did some things I still can't believe happened. But when things went bad....the offense would just kind of roll over...then the defense would wilt and they would totally fall apart. The comedy of errors and mistakes in the 105 championship game loss to Seattle is a prime example. Totally failing to do anything after Rodgers got hurt in 2017 is another.

If the Steelers can get enough talent on the field and everyone stays healthy....McCarthy can likely get them to put up points. But NOTHING better ever go wrong. Nothing.

 

I still give him a thumbs up on coaching up Rodgers , and a we shall see on everything else. All I can say is ..........people complain about not winning more with Ben Roethlisberger, and we went to 3 SBs with him, and as great as Ben was, He wasn't Rodgers at his peak, and they went one time. I repeat, one time.
I pray He(McCarthy) has learned a lot since then, and I will be excited to see .

 

It's mostly because I think McCarthy is a flat out liar and a coward.

That's likely too harsh. He's that guy that just oversells everything he's ever done.

Dude is out there claiming to have developed Joe Montana.

He rarely took ownership of bad outcomes in Green Bay.

He lost a power struggle with his QB because he couldn't figure out how to coach Rodgers when things got hard.

He's just such a frustrating figure. I can't wait for those of you that haven't ever experienced the McCarthy experience to ride this ride.

 

Don't know anything about him. Can he coach?

 

Kevin Greene big part at that time

 

I'm not aware of any reporting on Tomlin where guys went on the record with what fans just assumed. Almost all of the Tomlin gripes I pushed back against was fans in an echo chamber just convincing each other they knew what was going on.

Anyway, none of that matters anymore. Just like you are correct that what McCarthy did in GB doesn't matter either.

But the level of hopium that's being peddled here and other Steelers internet locales is ridiculous. I'm just pointing out that y'all are getting high on your own supply. Careful of that comedown.

 

Sometimes hopium is all we have as fans.

No matter how bad I think something will work out for the Steelers, I always hope it will work out and will wait to see the performance play out before labeling it a failure.

 

If the Steelers do end up re-signing or even trying to sign Rodgers, wouldn't that indicate that the open secret was false? Or at least extremely exaggerated?

 

Any HC will lose his job if he is at odds with his franchise QB.

 

Maybe?

Alternatively, Rodgers might figure no one else wants him and he already succeeded by tuning out Mike once.

Mike might figure he will just continue saying whatever he thinks sounds good. Got him this far.

Again, none of this matters as we are talking about a washed up old QB and, IMO, A washed up coach.

 

Very true.

But the degree that Rodgers was allowed to do whatever the heck he wanted, I've not seen elsewhere. Maybe Peyton Manning?

When Rodgers was pulling in MVP.awatds like candy, it was ignorable but when it stopped working because Rodgers refused to.play nice with the new guys....it brought down the entire team.

 

I think that's a recipe for disappointment.

Take emotions out of it.

Evaluate potential outcomes based on previous outcomes and league wide trends.

Don't set your hopes on being the exception to the rule.

Steelers have been trying to be the exceptional outcome for the entire 2020's. They keep not being the exception but the rule. At some point, you'd thinj they'd figure it out. It's not that complicated.

 

I’m with you on this. We’re watching them breathe some fresh air into a stale organization. For those that wanted change in staff it’s now coming to fruition, good, bad or same. Like you, I don’t want to prejudge the situation and make it stink before it even has a chance. I’m glass half full entering new situations.

 

What on earth are the fans supposed to do? The choice has been made for MM, nothing will change it. It's a change that was needed and shame on Steeler Nation for having optimism for the future. JMO>

 

We are now officially the Pittsburgh Bay Packers

 

And Roethlisberger pretty much the same thing at the end. The reason teams don't want QBs to have carte blanc on the offense is because they fall too easily into their own tendencies and become predictable.

 

Is the confluence the bay?

 

If you take emotions out of it, you're not a fan. I'm speaking strictly as a fan.

You know I always have takes and opinions on everything football, but in the end I'm still just a fan. No matter how much my intellectual or football instincts tell me something isn't a good move, I am still going to hope that I'm wrong. That is what hope is.

It doesn't make me naive or gullible. I'm well aware of what I think the outcome will be, but experience has told me that I can be wrong.

You are making this into a mathematical equation, but it isn't. This is still a game and it's OK to wear your heart on your sleeve.

When the potential outcomes base on previous outcomes and league wide trends painted a picture that they were in a situation that couldn't get better without change, you rationalized that the organization was the problem, or that Rooney was the problem to be more specific. Many believed it was Tomlin and the coaching staff that was the problem. The only way we are going to find out is to see it play out.

 

And that is why I am so negative. I believe we have the answer to that right now, today. We do not need to wait. We can look at the entire hiring process, the only comments MM and the owner have made. And they all underscore and support an franchise wide mandate from ownership to maximize wins each season regardless of impact on long-term team growth. It is a stupid and pointless POV for any organization to take, let alone an NFL franchise. We do not have to wait to see it being played out. We don't have to make assumptions and guesses at cliche quotes in the press about organizational goals and philosophy.

The Steelers ultimate decision makers are telling us that they believe you need to win as many regular season games as possible every season and any other developmental or organizational goal is secondary to that. There are 31 other peer organizations in the NFL. Identify the example of success with that approach. I can't.

The Steelers from about 2020 to the present have taken a path that no other NFL team I can think of or remember has used to produce a successful outcome. Fans decided that was a Mike Tomlin issue. The past several weeks have demonstrated, as best any one can see, that this was not the whole truth. The entire organization supports and operates on that philosophy. A philosophy that has yet to produce a championship team in what I can remember of the last few decades of the NFL.

If they start shedding veterans, prioritize guys under 25 or so on the roster, and aggressively add youth and speed up and down the roster....I might be willing to believe they are changing and shifting towards a revised/renewed strategy. What did EVERY NFL outlet say was the choice when the Steelers hired either McCarthy or the Field? Stay the course or change. They chose to stay the course.

But ask yourself these questions:
1. What is Mike McCarthy's team building philosophy?
2. What is the signature identity of a Mike McCarthy team?

I've been watching him coach teams for the better part of 20 years and I could not answer those questions with any tangible detail. Seriously, the best I got is back-shoulder fades. That's it.