Dan Rooney

I think it depends when they want to become current on the cap gains.

IIRC, last time it happened while Dan was still alive and Art I had been dead for a while. Could be misremembering though.

 

Interesting. Thanks

I hope that law change protects them, but I wonder if there's some cap on the size of the business (e.g. OK for a family farm, but an NFL team is with a **** ton).

It would be a shame if the Rooney's got squeezed out because of taxes.

 

In a nutshell, yes, I am excited to not see those OC/DC guys... and I think change might impact my view on the roster.
But I still see Omar as a limitation. Maybe that changes...

Roughly I view him as:

Rules - I am going to hold him to 2022 but keep in mind it is weighted (Omar has actually been involved with drafts for some time also)
Also of note, there is no doubt Omar could have moved up/down to take advantage of available impact players and snag positional needs.... he gets a solid F for ability to make deals that position the team for best players.
Also of Note again - Opinions on these players vary. My opinion is just that. I do think that different coaching may directly improve any/each player. A lot of woes came from coaching and that makes me unwilling to engage is some player evaluations, they are fluid and could change.

2022 Bombs
- Kenny Picket - Total waste, bad handling, just an awful/disastrous situation.
- George Pickens - Probably say same. But he did produce near 1,000 yards.
- Demarvin Leal - 9 games in 2 years?
- Chris Oladokum - What? Wasted a pick.
- Mark Robinson - Zero

2022 - Decent picks
- Calvin Austin - so-so.
- Connor Heyward - Special Teams and versatile blue-collar guy. So-so

2023 Bombs
- Corey Trice - 7th round pick but has contributed much.

2023 - others
- Broderick Jones - Has not really lived up to his potential. Maybe a Trent Williams type as he has basically same skills. Williams wasn't worth a dime first 2 years. We actually did better without Jones in 25.
- Joey Porter Jr - Sometimes brilliant, sometimes a flag magnet. I think he'll pan out as a good pick.
- Keeanu Benton - They were looking for a NT and picked for position with the likes of Chris Mims, Jayden Reed and Tuli Tuipuloto on the board. Probably a reach.
- Darnell Washington - The Truck. A specialty player... Blue Collar blocking TE that can catch. Injuries are a concern.
- Nick Herbig - A 4th round selection, has proven to be a working guy. Good selection and great value.
- Spencer Anderson - versatile and for a 7th round selection, a good value. Contributes in various ways.

2024 - Bombs
- Troy Fautanu - I'm not sure he made a single block in the playoff appearance. Came with a lot of promise but injuries limit him and he's been mediocre to awful for the 20th pick. There were better players on the board. Maybe we get a return with a change in coaching.
- Roman Wilson - WTF? He can't even get on the field and doesn't seem to be dedicated to the discipline of the playbook. Zero attempt at any trade to move up for better and could have selected a BPA.
- Ryan Watts - not in the NFL.

2024 - Others
- Zach Fraiser - Was listed as a little bit of a reach but has done a wonderful job, not gold standard but getting better. A winner selection.
- Payton Wilson - A little undersized and struggled with the run some. Good speed and as a 3rd rd selection, seems like he adds value to the team in rotations.
- Mason McCormick - He is a starter and seems to play solid. Good value for a 4th rd selection.
- Logan Lee - He's a 6th and has been a rotational player. Incomplete but a work in progress.

2025 - Bombs
- Derrick Harmon - Certainly presented very well and has flashed but a 21th selection he is not playing well. Injuries and disappearing at times. Maybe new coaching and a good DC will tap his potential as it seems like he has the skills to be great.
- Kaleb Johnson - 3rd round RB. When you have Warren and Gainwell in front of you, it's tough to find a spot. He gave us 69 yards, a boneheaded kick return, and 9 yards receiving. Maybe new coaching taps into his collegian running skills? Incomplete

2025 - others
Jack Sawyer - For a 4th rd selection, he seems to be able to contribute.
Yahya Black - A Blue-collar selection, seems to be a guy to be in the rotation maybe with starter potential.
Will Howard - Incomplete.
Carson Bruener - Too small. Blue-collar guy but probably should switch to Safety or something... 7th round pick so no high expectations.
Derrick Harmon - Injures and mediocre outings make him list both as a boom or bust... he has shown talent but has not tapped it.

 

Given that old man Rooney was open to running it back with Tomlin for a 20th season, the shareholders should be pushing for him to step down and allow someone capable to represent the fanbase and the city.

You really have to give it to the Pats, Ravens, and Bills ownership for actually having balls. Wish our owner did ..

 

Yeah, going to be a real let down, when the Steelers get a 1st round pick for Tomlin when he finally comes back to coaching.

 

Disagree with at least a handful of your opinions. But that's just me.

 

I am still waiting for a #1 WR.

 

Yes and am harsh, but I did leave open that maybe new coaching changes this.
I did preface it with

Omar has been involved for some time... but it is weighted.

Harmon is a massive disappointment. He had zero or little impact in a lot of games.
I think the potential is there.
Omar's drafts are highlighted with Blue-Collar picks.
He makes zero effort to wheel and deal to get impact players but rather just looks at need and positions.
Maybe that too changes.

I've maintained that to me, he is at best mediocre.
This is a good year to prove things wrong. A new coach is going to really drive for a solution at WR and QB.
And as much as I would like to minimize Free Agency, he has to work it some.
The Cap is a little out of hand too.
So, there's a lot of proving ground ahead of him.

 

I always thought Art was to blame for the Pickett draft, not wanting to make the same mistake the original Art Rooney did with Dan Marino. I thought Tomlin and Colbert were more in on Malik Willis that year.



Now, I will be probably one of few people that still believe that the GM and Coach did well on the Kenny Pickett draft, because they spent only their original 1st round pick on a Bust of a QB. Watching the 49ers give up 3 first round picks for Trey Lance the year before, I feared the Steelers would be using multiple 1st round picks to move up, so they could draft Pickett earlier.

 

I think we got Payton Wilson with the Kenny Pickett trade.

 

Wait

@Joel Buchsbaum thinks we can trade up to get Mendoza for just a 1st 2nd and a 3rd

And I quote him

We can

1. Trade up for Mendoza ( offering say or 1st, 2nd,3rd and next year first round pick ) .

 

FYI, here is the 49ers trade to move from #12 to #3.

49ers get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 3 overall)

Dolphins get:

• 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall)
• 2022 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)
• 2022 third-round pick (No. 101 overall)
• 2023 first-round pick (No. 29 overall)

And, this is not even for the Overall #1 pick. No idea how much extra it would cost to go from #21 to #1?

 

Quote me in the threads full context. I was talking about QB options. It never hurts to ask. The Raiders are a dumb team. I did not indicate it is likely to happen , only we should ask just in case.

You have SRCD. Go back to rearranging your lawn chairs and playing with your therapy dogs. I venture a guess they must like you, while other posters do not. No names mentioned.

 

"Steelers outdated"

As for the other teams searching for coaches, the Steelers no longer get a pass, while so many others flat-out fail.
If Steve Bisciotti and the Ravens set the standard, what about the other teams in this hiring cycle? Let’s run through them.

• Steelers: Mike Tomlin’s recent departure means that over the past decade, the Steelers have lost not only the NFL’s longest-tenured coach, but also owner Dan Rooney (died in 2017), GM Kevin Colbert (retired after the 2022 draft) and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger (retired after the 2021 season).

Some see the Steelers as outdated in terms of technology, strategy and resource allocation. They aren’t sure whether Tomlin was propping up the organization or holding it back. There could be parallels to the Giants, whose ownership passed from father to son two decades ago, triggering a decline delayed only because coach Tom Coughlin and quarterback Eli Manning endured for another decade.

On the positive side, owner Art Rooney II participated in Tomlin’s hiring and sounded like his father at a news conference last week. While reporters pressed Rooney on whether he would seek a coach offering more schematic innovation, the owner said leadership and ability to motivate are the primary attributes the team is seeking.

In 1969, the Steelers offered their job to Joe Paterno, then riding a 19-game winning streak at Penn State. Paterno waffled before deciding to stay in State College.

“Paterno is an excellent coach,” Dan Rooney said then. “But he’s only one of many excellent coaches. Our job is to find another excellent coach who is interested in a pro team. We’ll find one.”

The Steelers hired Chuck Noll, who won four Super Bowls with the team.

One exec said he could see the Steelers hiring Mike McCarthy this time. A Pittsburgh native, McCarthy knows GM Omar Khan from their time together in New Orleans. He might also coax back Aaron Rodgers for another season, in the absence of a succession plan.

 

I mainly agree with what you said. On Pickens he had a bad OC and Kenny Pickett QB. He was handcuffed. The man produced , made some spectacular catches and produced may big plays . We saw how good he was on another team. He also was not handled right by Tomlin who has a histroy with Diva's ... he had more they any other head coach.

 

More bad news.
It looks like Weidl will be GM for the Falcons.

Why, oh why, on the world, not send Omar? and Keep Weidl.

Ok, got that out.
I hate the idea to the hilt, but Omar has a lot of resources this coming year.
I think that if the Steelers are a dud this year, I figure those chants of fire Mike Tomlin will go under a name change.
My expectations for him, as should be Art's....
- Find a QB. Howard is unknown, we saw basically nothing last year. Mason is not the answer. We need both a #1 and #2. I like the idea of a QB coach coming in a figuring where we are actually at with Howard. If he's worth a shot, design an offense that will use his strengths. Mason can be #2 but I prefer Skylar.
- Find a couple WR's. Metcalf could be one, but we need two legit type starters to push this unit. Maybe draft a top one and grab an legit one in FA. Austin can remain in the mix.
- Adjust this roster to address the cap issues. Hopefully Heyward retires.
- Figure out the TE end situation. Maybe we can get a pick for one.
- As always, mine out OL players.
- We do need LB's as well.
My biggest expectation is the working relationship with a new HC. If I am HC and keep getting blue-light special discount players, I'm going to be in Art's grill.
Hopefully that working relationship becomes functional this year.

 

I sure don't want to lose Weidl.
I was listening to an Atlanta station, sounded pretty confident but I know how that goes.

I happened to be within hearing distance of a conversation at the playoff game. Weidle was getting a lot of praise by some folks.
I'm not sure if/when the guy writes his story.. maybe just collecting quotes.

 

Sure. Nobody wanted Belichick but teams are lining up to part ways with a 1st round pick for a guy that has a proven record of not doing jack **** when it matters. Good call.

 

Pittsburgh is fairly well situated to have a very good offseason.
But I think the lift is too heavy for Omar. He needs a guy like Weidl who has been through that sort of thing.

 

Take the L and run along to school

 

the only partner i see us able to possibly fleece would be jerry jones and the pokes. offer up TJ , our first (which would give them back to back first's) and a third this year and 3rd next. they have two picks in the first this year, not sure they would give up the 9th but since they need pass rush after getting rid of their guy last year they could bite. maybe ramsey and DK to sweeten the pot. they need all these positions. i don't think losing any of them would kill us at this point, but is there a guy that could help us enough? that is what they would have to determine. we have the capital to make this kind of deal but will they?