Stinkin Truth Podcast

I haven't listened yet, and I don't always agree with Stink, but I always respect what He has to say.

 

just go get Shula as HC and make Scheelhaase OC

 

The reason I want Scheelhasse as HC though is because if he comes here as OC he’s probably gone in 2/3 years for a HC role elsewhere. I want the offensive guru damnit we deserve it after Tomlin Ball for 20 years.

 

Of course he is. Would we expect anything less from our owner?

Another decade and a half of mediocrity, here we come …

 

I don't know who the 'right guy' is. I do know Mike Tomlin made the right decision. If he spoke about this being his last year prior to the season even starting, it was time.

 

I just don’t understand this argument. Coordinators are going to come and go whether they suck or they're awesome. If we have a sound structure and sound QBCs and Pass Game Coordinators we can always promote from within. If we're habitually losing the next great young mind, that means we're either winning SBs or we're very dāmn close to it on a yearly basis. So I just don't see how exactly this is a bad thing. And the same applies to an offensive minded guy routinely losing DCs for HC gigs.

 

Scheelhaase is the guy IMO. Has the personality for it supposedly, and he's a McVey PGC. I am pretty sold on that. Not that Shula would be a bad thing (I have read a lot good about him too), but man, it would be such a breath of fresh air to do a 180 from defensive minded guy running defensive concepts from 2010 to the passing game coordinator from one of the two most innovative offensive minds football has to offer....

My preference in order
1. Scheelhaase
2. Shula
3/4. Klay Kubiak/Jesse Minter
5. Ejiro Evero
6. Jeff Hafley
7. Anthony Weaver
8. Brian Flores

 

I agree with this to an extent. There will always be Shanahan/McVey tree passing game coordinators from across the league to promote to OC. Though, I do love the idea of having an offensive minded HC for a change. You can hire DC's in the same manner. Personally, I think the best combo would be a guy like Scheelhaase as the HC/OC his top offensive assistant as OC and a vet/tenured DC that might've been a failed HC or something. Think Schwartz, Morris, Flores, Spagnuolo, Fangio, Joseph, Bowles, etc..

 

I prefer the best person for the job. My number one quality is a coaches philosophy for the other side of their expertise and their ability to build a staff the opposite side of the ball from their expertise. I just don't care if it's an offensive or defensive guru. Things like leadership and innovation are definitely important as well. Being able to successfully zig when the league is zagging is very important. At what point does the Shanahan zone run system become the norm and no longer innovative? I do like Scheelhaase and Klay Kubiak's usage of 13 personnel, but until they become playcallers themselves, I'm just not a fan of neither of them. I just don't want to end up with guys in over their heads due to not being ready for the gig yet.

 

Ideally the Shanahan/McVey system innovates as time passes. I would hope the system looks different 10 years from now than it does today to fit/beat the zigs and zags of the times. I mentioned it in another thread in convo with you, but I could care less that they haven’t called plays. We’re not hiring them for their play calling prowess alone, we want a leader that will install a winning culture and a modern scheme to beat the opposition. They will either become a good play caller or hire someone who is…

I can agree with someone that can build the side of the ball they don’t coach though. I want a guy that isn’t afraid to hire young talented coordinators/trend-setters and isn’t afraid to be more “hands off” with the role to some degree. Those things tend to lead to talent wanting to come coach for you (something that we lacked under Tomlin).

 

Sheeelhaase is getting a HC gig in this cycle. There aren’t enough quality candidates to fill all the openings so someone will take a chance on him. He may decide that he wants a year or two as an OC first, but if he wants a HC position I think he will get one.

 

My point was if we hire him as HC he likely stays for a decade plus based on Steelers loyalty patterns. If he comes as an OC and does well he bolts for another job. Maybe I’m confused in your point.

 

What was your previous login name before you got booted

 

You do realize Scheelhaase doesn't call the plays?

 

Speak it into existence!!

 

Hopefully with your Pittsburgh Steelers. I listened to a Rams insider talk about him on a podcast and he is THE guy.

 

He is a supposed boy wonder who has positioned himself to be the next Mcvay. LFG!!

 

Who cares? We'd be hiring him as a HC, not simply a playcaller... Leadership, culture, installing a system that works in the modern NFL, shaping the future personnel decisions, etc. Playcalling is just one aspect and he doesn't even HAVE to do it. He will either call the plays and figure it out, or he will just hire someone else to do it for him.

 

It would make a lot of sense for a Shula/Scheelhaase pairing. It is at least a promotion for Scheelhaase. Klay Kubiak would likely not come over to our staff in a lateral move, as he is already the OC. I'm not sure you'd want to go from OC for Shanahan to OC for a rookie coach, but I don't know what Klay values in his job. If Flores doesn't get a HC job, why wouldn't he just go back to Minnesota? Also, it would be Shula's defense in this scenario and they don't run the same system. He would likely bring in someone he trusts or a coach that doesn't have a DC job in waiting (Raheem Morris is a better fit schematically). Shula/Scheelhaase/Morris seems like a pretty slam dunk staff, but I still would entertain either of the offensive guys (Scheelhaase/Kubiak) for the HC gig. That would lead to a more seasoned DC that could be any scheme and could bring guys like Flores (if he prefers Pitt to Minnesota), Raheem Morris, or Matt Patricia in as potential options. We could also take a young defensive assistant and promote them to DC. Lots of options.

 

Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell told reporters Tuesday that Flores sits atop their list of priorities as they enter the 2026 offseason and feels the urgency to keep the coordinator, whom O'Connell said the Vikings have "been really aggressive" in pursuing.

 

The issue with Tomlin IMO is not that he was a defensive guy, but that he exercised too much control over all aspects of both sides of the ball instead of hiring good coordinators and letting them do their jobs. I don't care if the next guy is an O or D guy because he should be too busy with big picture team stuff to worry about the micro management of it all. If, for example, Shula comes in as HC and brings Scheelhaase and gives him free reign over the O then that works for me. If anyone comes in and brings in a team of unaccountable yes men then we're going down the same road regardless.