Run Defense; A Closer Look

When they don't get TOs they look like the near-bottom ranked team that they are.

Other factor; red zone. Top ten on both offense and defense. That'll win you a few games.

 

The best thing AR has brought this year is redzone TD efficiency. It’s a huge difference from years past.

 

It helped that they spent the money on a quarterback in his prime.

 

Stop people with this takeaways nonsense.
1. Is part of coaching, and 2. How many games have we lost because of takeaways by the other team?
3. Even more.....how many games have actually been won this year by any team without a takeaway???
Yet somehow it's a knock on us. LoL

 

Again, comeback in another 5 years, and tell me this.
I heard the exact same about Daboll, Mike McDaniels, Kevin O'Connell, Kliff Kingsbury, and many , many others who are now either fired, and , or are having terrible seasons. Some of You crown people way , way too soon, and then act like You didn't say it years later when they suck.
Also this is not just to you.

 

True but the seahawks is also number 2 number scoring defense in the NFL(despite the seahawks offense have 23 turnovers,31st in the NFL) and 6th in yards...They were 25th in PPG in 2023,30th in yards(remember when the steelers had a big game against that defense,they were that bad)

Remember the McDonald is a defensive coach,the ravens miss him big time

 

That take away part of the game has cost us quite a few yards at times. You see 2 to 4 Steelers trying to get the ball from someone, but nobody is tackling him as he ambles on down the field for more yards. I remember one play a few games ago where that happened on a 3rd down. They got around 15 yards and a 1st down on the play. If the Steelers had just tackled the guy, it would have been 4th down. But the take away was a higher priority than tackling for them. They need more situational awareness. Take aways are awesome, but don't let your opponent march on down the field because you are trying so hard for a take away that you have stopped playing football!

 

Be interesting to know what the Steelers win % is for zero turnovers (offense and defense) in a game.

 

True, but in the list you mentioned, only Kevin O'Connell seems like a great coach despite his bad year.The others,their place is at the OC position.. I'd be happy to have him as head coach and Flores as DC!

I could be wrong in some head coach who have a great start and become horrible after but I would be stunned if a head coach like Ben Johnson become bad.He is elite,like Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and I said this several years ago that I would take him as head coach...I will take the L if he become bad,same for O'Connell

I was also high and Ryan,current head coach of the Texans but I always prefer offensive coach

 

All I'm trying to say is if You look, not many teams wins are without turnovers. Hell I can't think of one win by any team this season that turnovers did come into play. I'm sure there are some, but compared to how many are won that way its ridiculous to act like we are the only team to win that way. Also this is not at you, I'm just talking.
Hell have we lost any games just this year we didn't turn it over???
Example: Just last week Bills are getting beat until guess what, the Bengals turned the ball over back to back. Hell We were beating the Bills until guess what, two back to back turnovers .Most games are won by turnovers, it's just some crazy reasons when we win that way people make a big deal of it.

 

Like I said, what is the whole NFL record if they don't get any turnovers?? I can't think of one win this season that turnovers didn't happen. Also I'm sure there are some, but it's not very many.

 

The seahawks are 10-3 despite a -2 in turnovers...The pats are 11-2 despite to be only at +1.The Broncos are also 11-2 but they are at -3.This is 3 of the best record in the NFL right now.But the steelers need to have a big number of turnovers on defense because they are outplayed by 100 yards or more almost every game.

 

No Rams?
Da Bears?

 

This is not the same. Are You are trying to trick people?? -2 doesn't mean they haven't caused any turnovers. For Example: Tell me they had no turnovers when they beat us. -2 means nothing.
You can be -2 if you cause the most turnovers in the league , but you also give up a lot. These numbers you give mean nothing.
LoL. I can't believe you don't know this. Hell they just forced 5 turnovers in the Vikings game

 

It's not a knock. It just means that we have a higher percentage chance to win these games. Its true that if we were a middle of the pack turnover diff team that we would be a 4-5 win team. That's just the reality. Doesn't mean we didn't earn it... it just means that we're winning pretty purely on turnover diff and redzone efficiency (on both sides of the ball). This HAS to be the case, because statistically speaking, we are not a strong team. Were the 27th offense in yards, but 15th in points. We're the 28th defense in yards allowed, but 19th in points allowed. I get that the games has more than just yards to them... but to be a bottom 6 offense and a bottom 5 defense is usually a recipe to get a top pick, not win the division.

 

I hear what you are saying, but again, name me a team that has won without turnovers this year, and I guarantee, I can show you more wins with turnovers, almost every game won this year turnovers had something to do with it, and don't fall for the numbers @Steelersfan43 just put up. LoL
Also why stats are not the game.

 

I posted a table of those stats but am too lazy to search.
The one I remember is +1 turnover margin is about 70% win % league wide.

 

For example @Steelersfan43 just gave a -2 for Seattle, but all that means is Seattle turns the ball over more than they force turnovers, it doesn't mean that they don't force turnovers.
You can force the most turnovers in the NFL, and be -2.

 

I don't know how the team average TO margins correlate to wins. The TO margin for individual games is a fairly reliable predictor. For example, a team could have a bad game and end up -4 for the day. Then go on to have no turnovers for the next three games. They would still be at -1 margin and have a record of 3-1.

 

Turnovers are important but you can't live and die on that...You need also to outgain your opponents and have some 3 and out on defense and control more the ball on offense

 

True but this is possible to play great defense even if your total of turnovers on defense is low....Just look at the current Denver team

 

Too bad all the information in the world is not a Google search away. Oh. Wait. It is.

Seattle is 0.2 defensive turnovers below the Steelers defense per game. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/team-stats/

I say this with all respect and not to start an argument...but this is a really silly argument. Takeaways are always a component of good defense. Full stop. No debate. No arguments.

The 1985 Bears lead the league in takeaways with 54. The 2000 Ravens led the league with 49. The 2013 Seahawks lead the league with 39.

Recent defenses that are considered really darn good that didn't lead the league in takeaways include the 2008 Steelers, the 2015 Broncos, and the 2002 Bucs. However all three finished top 10 in the regular season and you want to go ahead and guess what was instrumental in their SB victories? Yeah...takeaways.

 

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