PFF: This Can't Be True, Can It?

Those numbers say that our general perception that the Steelers OTs are not that great might need a significant readjustment.

 

the chart shows they are NOT great. They are average.

 

Two things I get from looking at this graph

1. I assume that PFF is capable of correctly grading the x-axis "Island Rate". I'm surprised that we leave our OTs alone on islands more than most other teams do.
2. I don't assume that PFF is capable of correctly grading the "win rate". I wonder if part of the reason we get high win rates here is that that Rodgers has the 2nd fastest time to throw (2.38) in the league for QBs with > 50 snaps. Fastest is Wentz at 2.33 s. So pretty close to tied. PFF defines "pass rush win rate as "percentage of times a defender beats their blocker within 2.5 s of the snap". So perhaps we have high values here because we get the ball out faster than almost everyone else. And actually...the super-fast time to throw is probably also why we're comfortable leaving the OTs on an island so much.

To test the idea in 2, someone could make the following graph.

• y-axis: Island success rate
• x-axis: Average time to throw

I guess I'm assuming these things are pretty well correlated. Particularly when time to throw is < 2.5 s.

Another potential graph

• y-axis: Island rate
• x-axis: Average time to throw

This would test the idea that teams who schematically run dink-and-dunk are more comfortable leaving their OTs on Islands. Should give more receiving options to QBs who are good at presnap reads (my guess is they are more likely to achieve the quick time to throw numbers).

 

I believe that when the QB gets it out really quick then the OL is not graded. At least that's what I remember the talk being in '21 when Ben was releasing the ball in record time.

 

Thanks. If so, my guess is that the sample size for our OTs is going to be smaller than everyone else since (1) we have only played 4 games (assuming data is up to date as of week 5) and (2) our average time to throw is below the threshold, so presumably we are throwing out more data than most other teams.

 

The 2.5 sec win rate is ESPN's PRWR. I don't know how PFF grades 'wins'. They are secretive.

 

Yep, and the problem is we rank 27th in the league in EPA in plays run out of both 12- and 13-p sets. It's around -7 for 12-p, and -5 for 13.

It's easy to just conclude it's just a WR2 problem, but it takes more than an upgrade at receiver to explain those kind of numbers.

 

Got it from the google AI

But after your comment, I clicked on the link. And it was to an ESPN article.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...tes-top-teams-players-rankings-pass-run-block

 

Just my opinion average at this point in their careers is good

If they the keep advancing at this rate

 

We assume the chart to be valid. Or, even if flawed, it is consistently flawed across the entire NFL. Means we are getting a valid comparison for all OTs in the league.

The chart, only for pass blocking, shows that the Steelers tackles are not average. They are above average. It is like how charts and stuff work. Are they excellent and without flaws? No.

For instance this chart does not address run blocking. I am shocked by this chart. Like my brain rejects it and says that I watch the games and that just can't be the case. But....uhhh....maybe it is ? But I think the ability of many many (did I mention many Steelers fans) to just doggedly hold onto their preconceived ideas is strong.

 

We should all be fearful of AI..... It will make us stupider without even knowing it.

 

It makes stupid people stupider because they can’t think for themselves and therefore believe false information

(And post it here)

Intelligent people know to check facts before believing anything on the internet

 

Where do we get those facts if not the internet? Newspapers, lol. Almanacs, say what? Encyclopedias? what the?

I know, message boards!

 

Internet, but you must double check, and sometimes triple check different places.

 

You just have to sort out what you find on the internet and see where the author is getting their information