Kenny Pickett

Tell me you only know statistics and don't remember the games without saying it outright. For example, Johnson blowing a touchdown, then failing to fall on a fumble to cost them a score early in that first game.

Also, the entire team seemed to show up late against the Cardinals, but they had driven to the one before the play Pickett was hurt.

 

okay.. but keep in mind the Raiders reached out to Cleveland because their backup broke his wrist and Carrol said he wanted a QB with game experience to back up Geno.

Its definitely a better look to go to a franchise that doesn’t have a crowded QB room where he is the #2 than to stay in CLE where they have a history of mismanaging the QB position.

 

28 pages in, dude is a 1st round bust.. not much else to discuss

 

So you don’t remember it was the first game without Canada and we had 421 yards?

You don’t remember DJ dropping a TD, getting mad about it and failing to jump on the Warren fumble one play later?

I guess you also don’t remember Pickett was 7/10 for 70 yards and we had 2 possessions that were run run pass and one of them had a snap in the dirt that Pickett had to fall on. Sure, another possession was a dud but the first one resulted in a FG and the last one was at the GL where he was injured.

Context matters.

I blame him for getting injured even though we see a lot of players getting injured at the QB position in our division. It was a chance for him to own the rest of the season without Canada and he blew it with an injury.

 

I've said it many times before (not on here because I'm new here) but while everyone talks about QBs being the key to winning and losing, a QB in a bad situation will be bad unless he is a special player, and any QB put in a good situation will suddenly be the guy everyone thought he would be - and the NFL draft is set up to make the best QBs fail. This has never been more obvious than the last few years when guys have come off the NFL reject pile to lead teams and change the league's opinions of them. It hasn't happened with the Steelers which leads us to one of two conclusions. Either the Steelers are awful at evaluating which QBs have the ability to escape and thrive, or Pittsburgh is one of those bad situations that QBs should avoid.

 

Do you remember anything prior to 2017?

 

Ok You want wins, and no stats, then look at the wins of those same Qb now that they don't play here.
Small sample, but it's what I have to work with
Wilson = 0 wins since leaving Pittsburgh.
Fields = 0 wins since leaving Pittsburgh.
Trubisky = NA

 

No, the Alzheimer's is kicking in. What the point?

 

Exactly. What's your point?

 

It's probably the latter but a bit of both as well. Josh Dobbs recently confirmed what many of us have suspected recently. That there is absolutely no real plan when it comes to player development and most of it came at the end of Ben's career when they didn't want to change anything.

 

Which QBs have left here and thrived?

 

Thrived might be too much of an ask based a lot on the length of time they spent in Pittsburgh. I think they had games where they looked average. Dobbs by far saw a wide spectrum of play across multiple teams some good some so-so. His point was in these other places the gave you specifics and didn't throw you in the deep end with a rock tied to your leg and say figure it out.

 

None so far but I'm not sure if that is a good thing or not.

Check the list and you see a lot of QB's on their last go round before leaving the NFL.

https://stillcurtain.com/posts/every-steelers-starting-qb-ever-full-list-01j2m2pt9q6g

 

IIRC, KP also played well against CIN the year before with Canada as the OC. Those are two of his best games I think?

Seems like CIN has been the team where we sometimes remember that PF is on the team.

Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Y/A AY/A Rate Sk Yds Att Yds TD Y/A
2022 CIN (home): 25 42 59.5 265 1 0 6.3 6.79 85.9 2 16 2 14 0 7.0
2023 @CIN : 24 33 72.7 278 0 0 8.4 8.42 97.8 2 10 5 5 0 1.0

Pretty close to the same games vs. Cincy with and without Canada.

For comparison, here's Mason in 2023 against Cincy (without Canada). Also a pretty similar game.
Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Y/A AY/A Rate Sk Yds Att Yds TD Y/A
2023 CIN (home): 17 27 63.0 290 2 0 10.7 12.22 124.0 1 6 2 4 0 2.0

To complete the picture I guess here's Mitch in 2022 against Cincy (away). This is probably the worst QB performance of the 4 games.

Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Y/A AY/A Rate Sk Yds Att Yds TD Y/A
2022 @CIN : 21 38 55.3 194 1 0 5.1 5.63 78.2 1 2 3 9 0 3.0

We matched up well against Cincy in 2022 and 2023.

 

I'll need you to explain that last sentence. Who/what are you talking about there? Dobbs was never QB1 anywhere. He started from a backup role but there was no threat of Dobbs taking that job. Of course his role was easy. Maybe he was expected to do the big boy job here when he was on the field, same as the rest of the QB room? He's a smart guy. What was so tough to figure out?

 

LoL. The man sat with a HOF QB for how many year in the Qb room, even if nobody said a word to him, which we know is a fabrication, how did the so called genius not pick things up.
I'm telling you right now, I'm a ex fighter, and a always Guitar player, and if You stuck me in a room with one of the best at either of those fields, nobody would have to say a word to me, and I would pick up so much from just watching them , it would make Your head spin.
What it sound to me like, is a player making excuses why he didn't do well.

 

Ok first let me link the story I read yesterday.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/former-josh-dobbs-blames-pittsburgh-steelers-lack-development

So I am not talking about being a starter, or the top QB on the roster. I was referring to player development specifically at the QB position for the Steelers. If you look at the long line of QB's drafted in middle to late rounds there has always been issues with them trying to make guys into Ben and a lack of flexibility when Ben was injured even for an entire season. Tomlin's classic "we aren't reinventing the wheel" quote. In Dobbs' case he says he doesn't want to know the play he wants to know the why behind the play, what to look for, the cues that said this is the right play. He says he was constantly asking is this right. So my pool analogy was about the lack of coaching these guys were facing. We all know Ben could be passive aggressive at best with guys he saw as a threat when they weren't even in the same orbit as him.

 

I have the QB stats from the 4 games against Cincy in 2022 and 2023 (one which happened as soon as Canada was gone).

Two games with Kenny. One with Mason. One with Mitch.

They are pretty similar. Except the Mitch game, which is the worst of the 4.

 

I dont know his explanation made sense and coupled with reports about how Ben was and my own thoughts on practice it just clicked.

 

It was weeks into the transition away from Canada with two incredibly easy opponents. I also think they let Rudolph be aggressive because the defense was pretty well broken by then, something they only did with Pickett late with the game on the line.

 

What made me side eye the Dobbs article is Dobbs looked good when he hopped off planes and went straight to the field to play for Minnesota or Dallas without a real play book.

However, by week 3 when he had a better grasp of the offenses he played worse. Maybe it was just a coincidence due to the opponents he played but it sure looked like he was overwhelmed and in his head the more he played.

and I’m a Tennessee fan (went to college there freshman year) so I’m a Dobbs fan.

 

Why would wins with teams not named the Steelers matter in this example?

My point is the Steelers didn’t win more games with all those extra TD’s. There has to be a reason for that. Could be more INT’s. More fumbles. Bad defensive performances, etc.

But some people wanted fantasy stats over wins. I think if we did like Buffalo
and got a Metcalf of Diggs type WR for Pickett and got a proven LT maybe he develops quicker.

Also, clearly Tomlin put wins above style
points and rarely let Pickett throw early and often. It was usually the 4th quarter where we opened things up.

Prime example. Wilson had 400 yards and played like a man possessed vs Cincy in game 1. Game 2.. Tomlin handcuffed Wilson and he barely threw the ball until the 4th quarter.

 

LoL.
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