Tomlin???

Supreme Court Justices can be impeached like Presidents.

 

been the same set of threads for many year.

nothing is changing with Rooney at the top

 

it too you THAT long??!!

 

I was about to post this. I've been wanting him gone since the horrific loss to Jax in '17 playoffs.

 

We seem to always look really good on paper (like the defense this year). And always come out flat, overwhelmed, so you have to look at coaching. Its been like this for the last ten years at least more or less.

 

Bye

 

Actually for me it was the Dungy interview before the Jax loss when he was talking about playing New England the following week

 

I can't have this conversation again

 

I was just thinking that

 

If the Bengals make the Playoffs without Burrows, fire the entire coaching staff.

Bengals HC is probably COY candidate then.

 

Yep, that is what I take from the praise for Tomlin. And they mention the QB's he has had recently. They don't bring up the powerhouse teams he took to Playoffs and failed.

 

Surprised with DK number of drops, however I believe he did the same with Seattle.

Surprised with Rodgers, his arm is still good.

Not surprised with Tomlin. We will not see another super bowl until he is gone.

 

Or Andy Reid without Mahomes , Bill Belichick without Brady, Chuck Noll without Bradshaw, and so on.

 

Off topic and sorry I hunted you down like this. I went to the conservation section and tried to send you a personal message but when I typed in your name it said you don't exist. Anyhow I was asking about your trip. Hope it worked out well.

 

Yep, and if he lingers around .500, he may very well set the all-time record for playoff losses and the worst playoff winning-percentage of any coach with at least 10 appearances.

 

That should qualify him for the Hall of Shame and render him ineligible for the Hall of Fame.
I'll throw up if a .500 coach gets in the HOF with a losing playoff record.

 

Didn't all those guys win.... way more, when their window was open?

That's the problem. Tomlin won one Super Bowl in his second year. I give him major props for it, I don't deny he deserves credit. But he deserves credit for doing the right thing, which was use the gifts he was given, motivate the players, and let his coordinators do their thing. That's what he should have stuck with.

You can say it's unfair to compare him to Cowher, who is a HOF coach, and that's fine. Although since so many people have Tomlin lined up for the HOF, I think it's fair.

Roethlisberger's career was a window for Super Bowls, and they should have come out with at least a couple of them after '08. They had the talent, but they disappointed too much, too many times.

Cowher's career was 15 years. 12 without Ben, 3 with. Pre-Ben, he had playoff wins in 6 out of 12 seasons. His quarterbacks were O'Donnell, Tomczak, Stewart, Graham, Maddox, etc. When Ben came, he had them in 2 out of 3: trip to AFCCG, SB win, and the 8-8 season when Ben played like crap after his motorcycle accident. So that's playoff wins in 8 out of 15 seasons. 50% of the time without Ben, and 67% of the time with (but probably should be 100% if not for the accident.)

Tomlin's career is 18 years. 14 with Ben, 4 without. He had playoff wins with Ben in 4 out of 12 seasons, and never without him. That's 0% of the time without Ben, and 28% of the time with.

Cowher
With Ben: 2 out of 3 (includes motorcycle year)
W/O Ben: 6 out of 12

Tomlin
With Ben: 4 out of 14
W/O Ben: 0 out of 4

It's also plain as day that Tomlin got a much better Ben. Cowher had the rookie, the guy who choked hard in the Super Bowl, and the guy with a scrambled brain. Tomlin had all the prime years. There's also the fact this team hasn't really been a threat at all for 8 or 9 years. Even in years like last year when they make the playoffs, they have zero shot and everyone knows it.

You can see why anyone whose memory goes back to 1992 views this coach as a major disappointment. And I know, the team has other problems... without opening that can of worms, I believe Tomlin is also largely responsible for a lot of those problems. (Talent decreasing, assistant coaches sucking, etc.)

 

No doubt Big Ben was a talent.
I don't know if he was Joe Montana good.
But looking at Joe Montana, well he had Bill Walsh and that great staff and also a magnificent front office.
Those 49er teams were stacked.

Cowher put together so good staffs.
Tomlin on the other hand drives me insane. Promoting Canada to OC was mind-numbing. Keeping Austin as DC is also mind-numbing.
Situations with Ariens and LeBeau were inexplicable
Ariens was there for 2 Super Bowls.
LeBeau was there 8 years and had 4 #1 Defenses and was there for both Super Bowls.
Butler moved up to replace Ariens and his defenses led the NFL in sacks multiple seasons. He part of that staff Cowher had.

So Tomlin likes to promote from within.
The problem is, he nor the Front Office has really found hotshot young guys to start within those ranks.
And, if they are, they are stymied by Austin's stupid defense or Matt Canada's wasted time here.

I do think Smith is adequate, but our talent acquisition is not so good. (Read GM not GM'ing)

Tomlin has probably gotten stale over the many years. He's definitely resistive to change.
He isn't using the analytics that most NFL team is using, just using the 4th and 1 this past weekend. Analytics most definitely said go for it.
I do think he is a Hall of Fame coach, the non-losing seasons is quite a feat.
But I think it's gotten stale.
We definitely need a hotshot GM that can find impact players and a coaching system that can utilize the abilities of the players supplied.
We need coaches that change up and keep the opponents guessing.

 

Andy Reid won many playoff games with Donovan McNabb. Chuck Noll won playoff games with Mark Malone and Bubby Brister. Belichick won a playoff game with Vinny Testaverde.

 

I mean.....


It sure as hell is looking that way. No other way to describe Tomlin at this point. To be honest, I believe that this is it for Mike T. While AR II did give Tomlin an extension, he also fired Matt Canada; something the Steelers just don't do very often.... like, in over three generations often.


Not saying Tomlin will be fired mid season but I do believe that, should this season not go the way he or Omar envisioned?! Tomlin is likely the one who will have his seat warmed up quite a bit for 2026.

 

That game really changed my opinion of him. So under prepared.

 

I can't verify this and my old memory may be playing games on me, but when Chuck retired there was a reporter that said Rooney told him he could stay as HC but all the staff except Joe Greene had to go. He pondered this and decided it was time to go. That direction may have worked before his last extension, given less controlee and tighter script, but the longer these guys are around they see ot become more set in their ways.

 

Arthur Smith would have been a decent offensive coordinator for Bill Cowher back in the early days of his tenure ... Because Bill would have at least made an honest effort to establish the run.

Smith isn't terrible, but I'm not sure he is the best fit here with our offensive line in shambles.


I just am not seeing it with Karl Dunbar... outside of the top tier talent he has been given in Tuitt and Heyward he hasn't developed anyone else... it has all been pretty mediocre. This isn't the 2-gap Lebeau front, we need dawgs who get after it like Warren Sapp. Where they at?

We need someone with better pedigree than Pat Meyer too. The attention to detail on the offensive line has been atrocious since Munch left.