AI: "Some team is going to win the SB in the next few years"

I don’t know if the intelligence is artificial but I’m certain the stupidity is real

 

Shouldn't it be 4 fingers and a thumb discount?

 

It's just opposable to tell anymore.

 

Maybe some day an avid Pittsburgh sports fan will make human like robots for the teams. I'm guessing the owner of the Pirates will buy used up ones

 

4 fingers = 1 ounce

 

stop monkeyin round

 

The NFL will probably eventually remove all human elements from the game, citing "safety concerns", by simulate photo realistic games which take place fake-but-photorealistic stadiums with fake-but-photorealistic players, and fake-but-photorealistic coaches modeled after real ones. Maybe they'll even advance to the poing of using holograms and the league can repackage entire classic seasons and rosters and sell it back to us at full price. I'm kinda sorta just kidding...but, at the same time, I could totally see it happening, especially 20-30 years from now. I mean, why pay actual players and coaches, plus worry about concussions and the like when you can just have bots battling eachother? I'd hate it, but that's the direction that the world is likely moving in.

 

I'm not watching that crap. LoL

 

NFL finally addressing officiating problems this season .....

 

I was generally pro-Tomlin.

But I think this is the kind of thing that he probably wouldn't have embraced.

Hopefully MM is more open to these new kind of tools. Because I think the early adopters are going to reap the rewards.

 

At some point there may sufficiently complex AI to make adjustments, but this is football being played by human beings not robots.

If the linebackers are immediately flying downhill on the handoff and stuffing the run, I'm going play action and throwing over them.

If the cornerback gets banged up and comes out for one play, I'm testing the backup that comes in for him immediately and going after him.

The whole point of football is 11 human against human matchups on every single play that is run. Until this becomes Cyberball with robots playing every position and paying for upgrades, this game is going to always be about those human matchups.

I loved Cyberball!

 

AI is such a joke. As a society we are going to lean way into it, cut a bunch of jobs, make sweeping changes, and then wake up in 5 years and realize that AI is fool's gold and a pile of unfulfilled promises. When this current AI bubble bursts...there are going to be a lot of broken industries lying around.

You basically have the people who make AI making wild promises that are so far past the limits that it is science fiction. Then you have the people who buy the tech and implement it having no concept of how impossible what they are trying to do actually is. Then these AI tools and agents get unleashed on something and it simply doesn't work.

Honestly, block out the drumbeat of noise we hear every day that AI is great and AI is going to do this or the power of AI will help us achieve that. Now, think about the last time you interacted with even a SIMPLE AI tool. Did it work? Or did it crap all over itself trying to execute a relative low order task and require a human to intervene and actually achieve anything?

Until there is a massive leveling up in coding and technology, this stuff is basically tech bros selling a fantasy future to venture capitalists. Who then sell it as a big cost savings to private industry. Most of the early adopters of AI that then fired their human workers are scrambling to hire humans back because the AI just isn't ready to operate independently.

 

Playcalling isn't where it's going (at least right now). Gameplanning, tracking tendencies, video analysis for offensive and defensive tells on a fine scale, player evaluations with advanced metrics. In fact, most of this is being used already with some teams. Others not so much.

 

I understand that, but that's the leap that many are suggesting.

Analytics and metrics are already being used by almost all organizations and I understand that. I am just explaining that there is a cap on what anyone should expect out of AI for the foreseeable future. Football is still a game of human performance.

I don't want people to think that AI is anything other than what it really is in regard to football. It is simply a tool at this point. Nothing more.

 

Didn't it say that use during the game is prohibited?

Seemed to me like it was talking about using AI for game planning.

This makes sense to me because AI is good at finding patterns.

And I think the idea that AI wouldn't attack an injury replacement is wrong. If play calling agents were allowed, they would absolutely be trained on all of the in-game play calling information we have (which is a lot of data). And it would unquestionably find the pattern that "when the starting CB gets hurt, throw at the backup".

The AI agent would also likely figure out that PA passing improves outcomes whether or not the run is being successful.

The cool thing about an AI play caller is that it would pick up on patterns that aren't the more obvious ones we already know about.

 

100% agree with this part.

The play calls only get you so far.

It's the same reason that players >> coaches IMO.

 

80/20 rule - 80% players, 20% coaching account for game day performance. Players will be who they are. Where AI will make inroads is the coaching part of it.

 

AI will never replace experience and good instincts for the game.

 

Sure. AI could pick up on patterns.

But those patterns have already been picked up on. And the football establishment is still not sure how they feel about them.

Play action works without a run game. Full stop. There is mountains of data to support this. Defenders still bite because that is what they do. But most football play callers don't trust PA without an effective run game having been previously established.

In the long run, like the course of season, kicking costs you games. Oodles and oodles of data on that. But look at the discussions and debates among folks here. No one agrees on what should be done.

That is why AI is kind of useless. It can recognize a pattern, or what it thinks is a pattern, but unless the team buys in and commits to the philosophy that drives that pattern....who cares?

Couple that with the human element that others have raised on this thread. You can not quantify that. For the past 20 plus years, I have been able to basically call who was going to win a close Steelers game late in the 4th quarter by the body language of the two sidelines from the TV shots. You could just see the air go out of the other sideline at points. Steelers sideline rarely wavered. Then some defender would cause a turnover. Or a reciever would make an acrobatic catch. Whatever. And the Steelers win by a late FG or something. And the other team knew it was going to happen. AI can not quantify that belief component.

 

If Belichick were still around he'd have his staff hack into the databases and feed the opposing teams computer bad data.

 

It's fascinating to think about.

Everything can theoretically be programmed onto AI and have it be able to call a game and make adjustments. The problem is there is such nuance to the game that it will take a little bit of time before AI could get there IMO.

AI would have a hard time understanding that there are times when things need to be simplified because players are making too many mistakes. It is always going to be fighting human limitations in the processing of information and simple errors.

AI would have no idea when to give a pep talk or chew out a player. AI may never understand that the quarterback needs a safe, easy throw or two to get him in the game and build his confidence. AI is simply information being used without always having context and can be difficult to interact with human feelings and performance. Player ratings matter, but will the AI take away even try to take advantage of a blown coverage because of a defensive player's rating being much higher than the player's rating he is going up against? There are always going to be some limitations.

My point is that if AI gets to the point of calling plays, it could surely do the job of the head coach as well with time management and decision-making down and distance moves. Analytics already does that for many teams. Why pay a head coach huge money? Just hire position coaches to basically do what they do now and let AI handle the decisions.

There is a point where they can go too far with AI in my opinion.

 

Ha. The 'human element' is also the part that frequently makes mistakes and costs games. That includes both players and coaches. Mistakes are made in every game. AI can help to identify where those mistakes are happening and exploit them.

 

Doubt it. Unless there is a massive revolution in capability and infrastructure soon, AI is the biggest fool's errand we have seen in quite some time. It is a parlor trick a mile long and only an inch deep. There's no actual capability to it.

Set AI to crunching game film and it will have invented phantom positions and start vomiting out "hallucinations" as frequently as it identifies anything real.

 

enthusiasm
or
belief in being a contender