AAron will be talking to the Steelers today

His team were often bad or average after the 1985 season....They don't make the playoffs 4 years in a row in 1986 to 1989 and in 1990s,they had one season at 11 wins and the other were 9-10 wins at best.True Marino was not at his best in the playoffs but he had also no margin of error in several of those games...They were not a super bowl contender in his final 14 years

 

You do know, everyone was excited about Wilson’s 26 tds the season before he came to Pittsburgh.
How did that work out? Steelers just keep spinning their wheels in the mud with all these has beens and never was qbs.
I dont care if we go 6-11 or whatever, develop a franchise qb and quit mucking around.

 

You answer exactly what i was trying to say. YOU are totally correct Ben didn't get it done in the last 12 years, and tell me , was there a difference in Ben earlier, and later??
We all know there was , He became more about winning His way, not as much under center, not as much play action.
Also I don't give 2 freaks what others say. Some want to win their way and some just want to win.

 

Ben is a HOF, too bad the last 12 years he played for popcorn. Tomlin couldn’t beat Bellichek the last 2 times we played Pats. Didn’t even have Brady!

 

You are playing fast and loose with the term fact. Marino and Johnson did clash over play calling, but that doesn't come close to supporting your implication that Marino is to blame for every offensive shortcoming during his career. You have no answer for my claim that Aikman won because he had far better teams around him. That's why you ignore that part of the discussion.

Your argument also relies heavily on ignoring the real facts, the statistical comparison of Marino and Aikman. Aikman has far superior talent around him, but his numbers never came close because he was the lesser quarterback.

 

Your argument is based in this foolish notion that quarterbacks control everything going on around them. They don't. The teams around them matter.

 

You have no answer to the claim that Aikman made his players better around him.
I tell you this for a fact.....
If Aikman kept checking out of running plays like Marino did, Emmitt Smith doesn't look near as good.
Hard to be the best running back if the Qb only wants to sling the ball around all day.

 

Don't be ignorant. A vet Qb can change the play every time . You know this, I know this, and anyone that has watched football knows this. J. Johnson arguments with Marino on the sidelines was exactly because of this.

 

We need a love button.
I don't believe all this, but I love hearing it.

 

I don't know why I think he wouldn't, maybe because the starter has better things to do, or maybe because I've always thought of him as a D!<k....,, but
Now that he's here, I'm getting butterflies in my stomach thinking about SBs. LoL
Sorry. I'm an optimist, and a pessimist all rolled into one

 

Just jumping in here to make something clear. This Aikman/Marino thing is out of hand. I got asked which QB I preferred and I picked Aikman. Better career hands down. All the peripheral bs aside, better career. Does not equate to Marino was terrible. I am a big Marino fan. As a career goes, what he accomplished, is lacking, IMO, compared to Aikman. It really is just that simple.

 

I did provide an answer for the claim about Aikman making players around him better. I disproved it in the case of Smith, who led the league in rushing while Aikman was still playing like crap. Aikman was terrible until they started putting a great team around him.

Maybe Marino wouldn't have kept checking out of running plays if he ever had a good running back. It's hard to build your offense around the running game when you don't have the players to do it. The Cowboys had the talent to run any kind of offense they wanted. They chose to put most of the load on Smith.

 

Nobody thought or thinks you were saying that Marino was terrible. Sure, trying to dismiss all statistical evidence as "peripheral bs" is nonsense, but I've already acknowledged that you are welcome to cling to your opinion even though it flies in the face of the available evidence.

If I remember correctly, STD claimed Aikman was better before you even chimed in, then he jumped back into the conversation later. This isn't still going because of something you said. You are simply on the same side as STD and you are both trying to ignore the most important evidence in any comparison of the two because it doesn't fit your opinion. He simply enjoys arguing more than you do.

Winning is a team accomplishment. Aikman was surrounded by teams that were far superior to the ones Marino played with for most of his career. That is why comparing their statistics is where we find something closer to apples-to-apples, and when we do that, Marino's career blows Aikman's away.

 

Yes but once again poor Mason is kicked to the curb by a Vet QB picking the other guy. First Ben and Dobbs/Duck now Aaron and Will. Hopefully he has a tough exterior to handle the heartache of never being picked.

 

When he signed for 2 million a year I’m sure he knew.

 

Weird off season. Aaron Rodgers is the Steelers quarterback. Never thought in a billion years that would happen. Mason Rudolph is the perfect back up and Will Howard has potential.

Kinda numb to everything.

 

Exactly. He signed for relatively cheap backup money. He knew he wasn't Plan A.

 

Ok. I thought this all started because of the question 43 asked directly to me, and my answer to THAT question. I'm certainly not trying to get involved your mess.

 

You involved yourself in the mess, but feel free to ignore the evidence against your opinion if it makes you happy.

 

My mess was just a happy coincidence apparently. 2 conversations about the same subject turned into 3. Then, almost 4. Now, it's just you and STD. You guys have your fun.