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Thoughts on continually restructuring contracts

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 86WardsWay, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Every year the Steelers ask the highest paid players to restructure contracts. Some do, Some don't, some hold out, some get asked time and again. (Ben and Troy come to mind). This is all money that will be paid later I believe of the original deal but how is it beneficial?
    Ben signed 6 years 100 mil but I think has now restructured twice.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I've never heard of a Steeler holding out or refusing to restructure their contract. Can you refresh my memory on that? Restructuring is a lump sum payment to the player, so a player licks his chops when the team wants to restructure. It's all about guaranteed money for the player, so they love it.

    Restructuring converts a set amount of the players base salary due for the year into a cash signing bonus, which is then prorated equally over the remaining life of the contract to clear cap room for the immediate future.

    Ben has been restructured three times now.
     
  3. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Agreed. If you ever hear about any NFL player "holding out" on restructuring a contract, it usually means that the "restructure" proposal by the team includes a pay reduction, and not just a shifting of salary to bonus. I guess in some limited cases (that we haven't seen in Pittsburgh), a player may refuse to restructure because he wants to force the team to release him or negotiate an extension.
     
  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    every restructure raises his cap hit though, right? even if we extend him that puts ben up there in age with some big payments coming.

    :cool:
     
  5. Stiller3

    Stiller3 Well-Known Member

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    It's all a game of risk.

    You've got to know when to hold them and when to fold them.

    I like to think the FO is good at evaluating who needs to stay and who needs to go/can afford to let go.
     
  6. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    You're right, I'm wrong. Maybe attributed to fast typing and lack of intelligence. I was thinking of Hines but that wasn't the case. Glad you cleared that up. Also, I didn't realize Ben restructured 3 times now.
     
  7. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    I look at it like any credit card....... great for the short term, but a recipe for long term disaster
     
  8. Badboy212

    Badboy212 Well-Known Member

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    The NFL has turned into a constant "shell" game in that every year money has to be moved, hidden, and switched to stay ahead of the other teams. To compare our team to others it seems bleak as some have a lot of money to spend in FA , but also remember many of those teams have been awful for years, and have not paid many big contracts. If there is a silver lining to this year is the possibility that next year we may be well under the cap wit a lot more cash to work with
     
  9. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    I'm hesitant to post here, because every time I comment on this I seem to get into an argument with someone.


    I'll just say this. When we restructured contracts after beating Seattle in the Superbowl, it was the right move. We were trying to hold together a championship roster, and it allowed us to get to 2 more Superbowls.

    We're paying the piper now. We're hurting now because of it. But I think any fan in the NFL would take 3 Superbowl appearances in 6(?) years if it meant some down years afterwards (which is where we are now).




    That being said. We're no longer that caliber of team. Let's pay the piper now even if it means a season or two of suffering. So that we can build back up.
     
  10. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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  13. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    I agree with hating the Willie Colon signing but for a different reason. Yes, they over paid him but his mental game was in shambles. Constantly jumping offsides and holding. When he finally did get his head on right he was consistently burned on the pass rush. Bad signing all around outside of the injuries that came later. JMO.
     
  14. Stiller3

    Stiller3 Well-Known Member

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    Lol this is why I make the most generic blanket statements.
     
  15. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Amen Brother, you got to PAY the PIPER SOMETIME. Lets hope we can hold our
    own till the new TV money comes in. This maybe PAINFUL.
     
  16. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Starkey hit it right on the nose.
    We as Steeler fans are quite fortunate. And spoiled.
    I wonder if they have a few down years to retool will the fanbase call for heads? Not like they don't do that each season.
    This years draft has to produce at least two or three starters.
    Retool, replenish, and contend.
    This is the formula. And it's worked so far. Can't wait for the draft and the upcoming season...
     
  17. 12to88

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    The game is changing, as I see it. The days of drafting players and nurturing them along until they're ready are over. Top draft choices are now not only capable of being starters; they're expected to be starters. We're seeing more and more rookies starting in this league and playing at a high level. Rookie QBs, in particular, are stepping in and having no problem whatsoever putting up big numbers. There is some concern here about a "downturn," but such a thing only happens for a year or two now. Look at how Seattle went from top dog to bad team to top dog in just a few years. Also look at how successful college coaches have become. Traditionally, "college guys" have struggled in the NFL. From Lou Holtz to Dennis Erickson to Steve Spurrier to Nick Saban. Jimmy Johnson was the lone exception. That's about to change. Though Pete Carroll started as an NFL coach, I considered him one of these "college guys" when he took over in Seattle and laughed: I thought Carroll was going to look overmatched in this league even more than his first stint. Ooops there. Now we have Harbaugh coming in working magic. Get ready for what Chip Kelly is going to do in Philly (Coach of the Year prediction?) The reason? It's becoming a young player's game and a "four years and you're done" game. So college coaches are what's needed to deal with the youth and the constant turnover, as they must deal with in college.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The ever changing of the rules to aid the offense is why I believe rookie QB's are having more success early on and college coaches are far from proving anything when coming into the NFL. Carol coached 2 NFL teams and was an OC to 2 others before running back to college and on his 3rd try has found success, he doesn't count and that just leaves Harbaugh who just happens to have NFL experience as a former player. I expect Chip Kelley to have result more similar to Nick Saban then Jim Harbaugh.
     
  19. 12to88

    12to88 Well-Known Member

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    Let me clarify something here: the downward turns are short if you have a head coach and general manager who know what type of team they are building. Both Carroll and Harbaugh went into their positions with a philosophy: of not only how they wanted to coach and how to approach the game, but also of the type of players and men they want on their team.

    And this brings me to Tomlin and the Steelers. One of my greatest concerns about Tomlin is that there is no clear philosophy. And when you don't know what team you want or strive to be, you lack an identity. I have heard a "what's the Steelers' identity?" criticism for years now, on NFL Network and ESPN. I always thought it was nonsense, especially considering the Steelers' two SB runs under Tomlin. But in retrospect, these criticisms seem valid. There is no identity or philosophy with this football team, and that is how/why the drafts have been a little suspect. Was Mendenhall a first-round selection because he fit a philosophy or because he seemed to be the best RB available or the most reasonable selection? Same questions of Hood and Heyward.
     
  20. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts as well, well said. I guess we will have to wait for this to play out. IT MAYBE PAINFUL.
     
  21. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    THE PHILOSOPHY IS THE PHILOSOPHY
     

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