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Pats have offered Sanders a deal

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelByDesign, Apr 10, 2013.

  1. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    Here's a fun fact compliments of Jim Wexell. The Steelers would receive the #91 pick from New England. The #92 pick last year was T.Y. Hilton...

    Sanders: 44 catches for 626 yards (14.2 avg.). He scored 1 touchdown, lost 2 fumbles and dropped 3 passes. He also averaged 10.2 yards on 9 punt returns and returned 1 kickoff for 27 yards.

    Hilton: caught 50 passes for 861 yards (17.2 avg.) as a rookie. He scored 7 touchdowns, didn’t fumble, and averaged 11.5 yards returning punts and 16.9 yards returning kickoffs.
     
  2. truckin9999

    truckin9999 Well-Known Member

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    take the pick and do a flier on Lattimore.
     
  3. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    Take the pick. Trade down in the first, get 5 picks in the top 100.
     
  4. Bristerfan

    Bristerfan Well-Known Member

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    I'm confused

    ok so the Steelers put a 3rd rd tender on RFA Sanders....Now that Pat's come in and offer him a contract and since he's restricted we have 5 days to outbid the
    Pats correct so far? Now if the Pats didn't offer anything what would we be paying him? Does that 3rd tender (basically a 1yr contract?) have a set price that sanders would have to play for this year? Also, Say Sanders wanted to stay with the Steelers but chose not to sign his tender in hopes of getting a long term deal. The pats come along and offer him a contract more than the 3rd rd tender $$ does he HAVE to sign it? :goofy: now i'm even more confused....
     
  5. HawkeyeJames

    HawkeyeJames Well-Known Member

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    I agree take the pick and then trade down to get more ammunition for the holes we have to fill. From what I have read it is a deep draft but not very top heavy in terms of great players. We have a lot of holes to fill and the only way to do that is by getting younger through the draft. It is pretty obvious the front office is being very selective on free agents and rightfully so.
     
  6. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    I'm not quite sure what you're asking with the second part of your question, but...

    We put an original round tender on Sanders which was something like 1.3 million. That means that he's ours for the season at that price, BUT if someone else offers him a contract (the Pats) and HE signs the offer sheet (he's allowed to choose to ignore it), then we have 5 days to match it or let him walk. If he walks he's locked into that contract with the Patriots and we get their 3rd round pick.
     
  7. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    We have 5 days to match the offer, not outbid. 1.323 Million is what he would have had to play for if he didn't receive an offer. Not sure I quite understand this question, but if you're asking if he had the choice to not sign the Pats offer sheet, the answer is sure, but that would be stupid on his part.
     
  8. pjgruden

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    I like Sanders, but you HAVE to take this pick here. IMHO you can always find a productive enough WR in the late rounds (or even as an UFA). There's just more of this position to go around then most.
     
  9. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    Whether you think they should match it or not, if they DO it was an incredibly stupid move on their part to only put an original round tender on him.

    If he's worth more than a 3rd round pick then they should've tendered him at a round 2 level. Now they're at the mercy of paying him whatever the Patriots decide we should pay him.

    To match or not to match shouldn't even be a decision for them at this point, they should've made that decision the day they tendered him.
     
  10. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    Take the pick..Sanders is always hurt and has alligator arms when he expects the big hit coming. Much rather another 3rd round pick.
     
  11. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Let's see how his feet hold up playing on turf.
     
  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    So, I wonder if we would have to match the offer before signing him to a long-term deal. In other words, for example if the Pats have offered him $5 million, which we don't have the cap space to match without cutting someone or changing someone else's contract, can we instead negotiate a long-term deal that fits under the 2013 cap and resign him that way? I'm about 90% sure that the answer is no. I believe that we would need to make a change elsewhere to gain about $3 million in cap space (we are about $2 million under), then match, and then do the long-term expansion which would reduce the $5 million cap number.

    I'm not suggesting that we should do this, but if we can get him signed at a reasonable rate for 3-4 years, it may be better than rolling the dice on a 3rd rounder.

    By the way - the $5 million above is an example to show how I think the numbers would need to be worked out. I just want to pre-deflect any "he's not worth $5 million!!!" replies.
     
  13. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    also, next yr., we'll already have at least 2 3rd rd. comp picks for Wallace and lewis, and depending on health and productivity, anywhere from 2 more 3rd's, 4th's or 5th's for colon and mendy........ I know it's a yr. from now, but next yrs. draft is looking pretty good for us.
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I disagree. I think it was a smart move if they think he's worth around a 3rd rounder. This gives our front office the ability to pick between him and the 3rd rounder. Someone else sets the market price, and if we like it, we match. If not, hasta la vista, baby.
     
  15. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they thought he was worth more then a third round tender. I would take the pick and I promise you the Steelers will get the same production out of gilreath. From the moment they brought him in I figured he was Sanders replacement.
     
  16. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think you're mistaken on the value of the comp picks - actually I know you are on Colon, because we cut him = no comp pick. If you look at who got comp picks this year, and the salaries of the players associated with those comp picks, it looks like Wallace should be worth a 3rd, Lewis a 5th (maybe a 4th if he excels) and Mendy a 6th. You are WAY overvaluing the picks based on actual history.
     
  17. Real steel

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    This is nothing more then a ploy by bellidick and the cheatriots. They know we are ****ing broke. They don't want him they just want to make it so we can't sign anyone other free agents. **** you bellicheck
     
  18. freakfontana

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    from what i can understand the rfa market is an agreement between teams to not claim any players ( infact the market is pretty non existant) , if the pats made the offer is because the steelers have already say , you can take him ...
     
  19. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    Why would Bellichick care about an 8 - 8 team that didn't make the playoffs?
     
  20. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    How is that a smart move? Again, I said IF they match it, it was stupid.

    They could've put a 2nd round tender on him for 2.02 million. So if he's worth keeping, they could've made sure it happened for an extra 0.7 million. Instead they would match the Patriots offer which the rumor right now is at about 4 million for one season.

    Explain to me how paying 2 mil more this season than they have to is smart?




    EDIT: If they were willing to part with him for a 3rd, and do... then absolutely, great move.
     
  21. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    As per Ed Werder, the Steelers are likely to match the offer. While I can see the benefits of having a 3rd round pick, I would rather keep Sanders and sign him to a long term deal.
     
  22. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    I'm not buying it, until I hear from a better source. He came out and said it almost as soon as it was reported that the Pats signed him. And the way his tweet was worded basically sounded like he was speculating.
     
  23. SteelByDesign

    SteelByDesign Well-Known Member

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    If we match this and pay Sanders 4 mil for one season (and restructure someone else in the process), my head is going to explode. The FO has made so many head scratching decisions this offseason I can't take it.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't have time to respond in detail at this moment, but you're basically accusing the front office of not having a crystal ball and anticipating every possible permutation that could accompany an offer - particularly the fact that offers on RFAs are generally expected to be multi year offers. The Pats may be playing a game here, and expect us to match the 1 year offer. It wouldn't be unheard of for the Pats to exploit - or (in the words of Bellechick) misinterpret - the rules.
     
  25. Steelmac5

    Steelmac5 Well-Known Member

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    I would do just the opposite, WR in round one and move up in round 2 for a LB.

    Mike
     

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