Ranking OC’s in NFL

• 1. Detroit Lions – Ben Johnson

• 2. San Francisco 49ers – Kyle Shanahan (Head Coach, Play-Caller)

• 3. Los Angeles Rams – Sean McVay (Head Coach, Play-Caller)

• 4. Miami Dolphins – Mike McDaniel (Head Coach, Play-Caller)

• 5. Baltimore Ravens – Todd Monken

• 6. Philadelphia Eagles – Kellen Moore (replacing Brian Johnson)

• 7. Buffalo Bills – Joe Brady

• 8. Kansas City Chiefs – Matt Nagy

• 9. Cincinnati Bengals – Zac Taylor (Head Coach, Play-Caller)

• 10. Dallas Cowboys – Brian Schottenheimer

• 11. Green Bay Packers – Matt LaFleur (Head Coach, Play-Caller)

• 12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Liam Coen

• 13. Minnesota Vikings – Wes Phillips

• 14. Los Angeles Chargers – Greg Roman

• 15. Denver Broncos – Joe Lombardi

• 16. Seattle Seahawks – Ryan Grubb

• 17. Washington Commanders – Kliff Kingsbury

• 18. Houston Texans – Bobby Slowik

• 19. Indianapolis Colts – Jim Bob Cooter

• 20. Pittsburgh Steelers – Arthur Smith

 

Source?

 

I’m thinking he is the source

 

Johnson is now the HC of the Bears. He hired Doyle as the OC.

Denver Broncos offense goes through Payton. Also think Steichen is the architect for the Colts.

 

Since we're talking nonsense, if a team has the 20th best OC, no franchise QB, and an old and overpaid defense, how good is the HC that got them into the playoffs? That is an absolutely amazing job by that guy. Sign him to a lifetime extension please!!!

 

You sound like our owner. Just think what he could do with good Coordinators and letting them coach like when he first came into the league. What difference does it make when we make the Playoffs every year and lose badly in the first round?

 

Why would someone need a source, to post a personal opinion ranking list, on a Steelers fan message board?

 

Sure hope we don't get beat by the 12 not listed.

 

You don’t

But there are posters here who are incapable of having an intelligent thought on their own so they mostly post other people’s thoughts

So asking if there is a link is not a bad question

Especially if the op doesn’t indicate one way or another the source of the information

 

IDK. To me when somebody posts a ranking I don't take it to be an official list. What would an official list be? Even if some sports writer posted a list it would still just be an opinion piece.

I kind of like posts that rank players. It's interesting to see how different people view different players. I can't rank coordinators. I don't follow other teams closely enough to know who is good and who is not. Sometimes offensive success is more a product of the head coach than anything else.

 

I will say this to add to the list. I personally think that Kevin O'Connell is one of the best offensive minds in football. He has made multiple below average quarterbacks look good. (Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs, and even Sam Darnold to name a few.) I personally don't believe that Sam Darnold is a legit NFL starting QB. The O'Connell system, and elite Vikings receivers made him look far better than he is. The fact that the Vikings won as many games as they did with Darnold says more about O'Connell than it does Darnold.

 

You proved my whole point. Great coaches can make middling players look like good players in some cases great players. We had that with Lebeau and his system. Thats why we could pick up mid to late round guys and turn them into really good players on defense. - See Brett Kiesel, Aaron Smith, Greg Lloyd etc.

The way our defense is schemed and coached now we need to hit on our draft picks and they need to be really good to succeed in our system. There area always some exceptions but our system is not as player friendly as it used to be on defense. The offense is so hard to evaluate because so much of the success of that unit is dependent on offensive line play and QB play. We clearly have alot of development needed at both of those positions. To me outside of the HC, OC and DC the Offensive Line coach is the most important coaching position on the team. Some of these really good run teams have multiple offensive line coaches (3) or more and they have really created a factory for themselves from a coaching standpoint.

 

You might want to update this list both Slowik and Grubb got fired after last season.

 

Yeah I know. I still think they are better than Smith.

 

Slowik was pretty good up until last season, I don't know how you can say Grubb is better than Smith. He lasted one season in Seattle didn't make the playoffs and is now back to coaching in college.

 

I don’t know how I can say that either. Thats a fair assessment. I though he was more productive and was more innovative but given the limited time I probably missed on that one. Slowik was an up and comer to me. He had issues with his offensive line play which I believe hurt their offense.

 

The Steelers went 10-3 with Arthur Smith before losing those last 4 games. 3 of those 4 games were against huge favorites to win the SB. Tough crowd.

 

Zac Taylor is terrible. He should be around 25 or so. Whoever ranked these hadn’t watch the playcalling in Cincy. Their talent makes up for a lot of the terrible playcalling.

 

Honestly perhaps my assessment of him is unfair. It is so darn hard to evaluate alot of these guys, but in his case you had a ridiculous schedule that we faced at the end, you have an offensive line that is still seemingly influx and we aren’t set at QB. My biggest question and I hate to beat a dead horse, but is Tomlin a factor in assessing Smith? Does he give him complete control and let him do what he wants or does he put his stamp on things and restrict him? I feel like it is the latter. Reason being is the continued conservative nature of our play calling and game plans. The seemingly same play between many of the QB’s we have had in there before and with Smith. So it is hard to truly evaluate the guy. I also understand that the majority of HC’s are going to be involved in both the offense and defense to a degree. My issue is I feel like Tomlin stifles the OC’s development with his involvement.

 

What are you talking about? They had one of the better offenses last year.

 

In that case Tomlin would get the credit for the 10-3 start as well. If MT is just controlling both offense and defense then the success of those units is due to him as much as the failure. It's a full team effort. Tomlin does have some input but Smith is still the OC and responsible for the game plan on offense. Same with the defense. It's not one guy being all controlling. What coordinators would sign up for that?

 

To me its more about what your team does in big games against big time opponents and in the second part of the season where you need to adjust because teams have scouted you and are playing you different. A 10-3 start is great and we have had similar starts in the past. Its the down the stretch implosions and the continued losses in the playoffs against better opponents and seemingly refusing to adjust in game that drives me nuts.

I remember the year the Steelers went to the Super Bowl with Ben and Cowher and we played the Colts in the first round. We were a smash mouth ball control offense. However against the Colts we were willing to adjust and come out against the Colts and totally catch them off guard with the down the field passing game. I would like to see more risk it plays especially over the middle of the field. I know we are worried about the interception but in todays NFL half the time you push the ball down the field you get a PI on the defense so its alot less risky now than it was twenty years ago.

 

Ok. But who were we throwing it to last season? We had GP and he was doubled/tripled. So that approach is not gonna work. Teams stacked the box to stop the run because we had so very little in the passing game. We had a very limited OL last season. 2 rookies in Frazier and McCormick. The rookie wall is real. Have to factor that in as well. Our OTs play was simply inconsistent all season. Moore we just let walk at the end of the season, and BroJo just hasn't been good.
All this to say the offense last season was a personnel issue more than a coaching issue. At least that's how I see it. I hope to see improvement this season with adding DK. Now we need somebody to throw to him.


The Cowher SB year we had a veteran offense. Ben was the newb.

 

Wasn’t he OC in those last 4 games too? I was undefeated in my golf 4-some until Tiger Woods joined it.

 

I think we’re saying the same thing. I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The difference is I believe it us the coaching that affects the development of the personnel, especially in the case of the offensive line.

your right about lack of recievers. It hurt us everywhere on offense as a result. I really hope they keep Pickens this year. Would love to see him and Metcalf together.

Still gonna be limited by QB play but hopefully the threat of those two will open up the run game.

our offensive line has to learn to pick up the blitz. Teams are gonna do it to us to test the oline, the QB (old and immobile or rookie) and to neutralize the deep pass.