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Vikings "strongly" pursuing Wallace

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by antennaman1969, Mar 7, 2013.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Definitely, I don't mean to stand pat with what we have, I think there are several good choices in the draft. At the same time though, we wouldn't be horrible at the WR position if we didn't do anything else but to really make it a position of strength, I believe they should and will draft one.
     
  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Do you think Wallace is a good route runner, has good hands, fights for the ball, is a good blocker, is a good leader on and off the field, catches the ball at it's highest point, is good after the catch? Sorry, Thigpen, but I don't think you can answer yes to any of these questions. What other skills are there? Maybe you do think that he's not lacking in any of these areas but when I look at Wallace (as objectively as I can even though his act has worn extremely thin on me) I see him lacking in ALL of these areas. And comparing someone's actual skill set to someone that may have a physical disadvantage (Pouncey as a midget or Ben as a one-armed QB) is comparing apples to oranges.

    Wallace is fast, BLAZING FAST. Congratulations to him. Some idiotic team with an over-covetous owner is getting ready to make a huge mistake because of it IMHO.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

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    I understand what you are saying about the speed, Jack, which is why Tomlin called him a 1 trick pony, he doesn't have much to offer besides that one asset. I'd rather have a big physical receiver that can fight the DB for the ball then a speedy receiver who needs to out run everybody to catch the ball, IMO, the former comes into play a lot more then the later over the course of the game.
     
  4. JackAttack 5958

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    One of those just made Joe Flacco the highest paid player in NFL history! (see Boldin, Anquan)
     
  5. shadowmaker

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    I wouldve GLADLY took the 2 losses with him not being in there. They wouldve been a lot less than ones he cost us by dropping passes or not fighting for the ball. Hes fast but he cant catch or hold onto the ball. My son loved him and got mad everytime I yelled 'HANDS OF STONE" everytime he dropped a ball. I told him if he would hold onto the ball, I wouldnt say it. Not many games he didnt hear me say it.

    The FO offered him $50 mil and he turned up his nose.
     
  6. Dick Shiner

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    That's generally the process that leads people to draw such a conclusion.
     
  7. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    That was an awesome article Burgher! Thanks for putting that on here. I'm glad to see him go. He's not a true gamer. We witnessed a true gamer when we saw the catches Boldin was making in the Super Bowl this year. Wallace would've never made those catches. I wonder if Wallace even remembers he's a free agent? I mean the season has been over for a couple of months now so he might have lost focus. LOL.
     
  8. Rush2seven

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    Thigpen? I know I'm going back aways, but I don't seem to recall anyone on the team who could catch the ball after he left. Yes, we won some playoff games, but we also had some bad seasons after his departure as well. I realize wr wasn't our only need, just one of them.
     
  9. biggbunch68

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    I was also thinking Thigpen, when i read this
     
  10. Lizard72

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    Louis Lipps?
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thigpen, good call, in the sense that we didn't have a 1,000 receiver the following season and we went 7-9. Charles Johnson was close to a 1,000 with 850 but we drafted Hines that year so I'd say that was a pretty good replacement.

    Lipps leaving didn't hurt us, he only put up about 650 yards in his last 2 seasons, plus we went 11-5 without him and replaced him with Thigpen.

    Steelers always do a good job replacing WR's or any position for that matter, in the 90's anyway, we had massive FA defections every year and we hardly ever missed a beat. It's been harder replacing talent as of late but not at the WR position, we still do well with that.
     
  12. Lizard72

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  13. Wardismvp

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    Early in his career how many times did Hines Ward
    get caught from behind? There you go. The Steelers
    seem to be able to evaluate WR talent, its the CB and OL and DL
    they have trouble with. That being said, we will be alright
    once the one trick pony leaves for the MONEY!
     
  14. knab70

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    Its a move Pittsburgh will regret..Mike has the talent a wide needs and with the right leadership this kid will remind us all day long he once wore the black & gold!!
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

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    I agree that we will miss the big vertical plays and what he did to opposing coverages. However, I disagree that letting him walk will be a move that the Steelers regret. There's a price to be paid for what each player brings to the table, and if the asking price is too high, you have to move on and let someone else overpay. It has been widely reported that Wallace turned down 5 years/$50 million last year. I would have had a bit of a problem with paying that, and I'd have an even bigger problem paying him more. What if the market sets his value to something like 5 years, $65 million, or 6 years/$80 million? Do you think it's worth it? When you pay a guy that kind of money, you will lose the opportunity to sign other guys that you need on your roster. If we had signed Wallace to his big deal request, it would have prevented us from re-signing AB last year. We'd be in a situation right now where we probably wouldn't have a chance at Keenan Lewis, and next year may not be able to resign someone like Pouncey. It takes 2 to play, and if Wallace isn't playing at a price level that doesn't harm the team, then the only regret would occur if we give in and overpay.
     
  16. Concussion

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    The Steelers don't have any wide receiver that can fight for the ball like Boldin, not many teams do. I am sure Boldin would love to have Wallace's speed so he could create separation and not have to fight for the ball.

    I certainly don't follow the Steelers obsessively like some on this board and Wallace had a bad year but he contributed to the team with his speed when he was targeted and when he wasn't. He also found openings in the defense when Roethlisberger was scrambling.
     
  17. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I was going to suggest this as well... which might not surprise anyone...
     
  18. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    It's not apples and oranges at all. You just said that Wallace's speed is God-given. Just like height, or having two arms. You build a skill-set on top of those God-given gifts.

    As Concussion said, players who fight for the ball are generally the ones without the speed for separation. Likewise, as I said, if you want Wallace to be a good blocker, he probably needs to bulk up - which means slowing him down, which makes no sense if that's his chief weapon.

    I don't think Wallace is the second coming - he's a young guy, and there's lots of room for improvement in his game. But he's not flat out terrible at the things you mention. I actually think - entirely unsarcastically! - that Wallace is as good at catching and route-running as Mendy is at hitting the hole. The problem is, folks around here have created this illusion that Wallace is basically Darius Heyward-Bey, and has no football skill at all. Just like the idea that Mendenhall "dances" is embedded in people's minds, so that they never notice when a) he doesn't and b) all our other backs do.

    I think though, Jack, you're right that we probably just need to agree to disagree on this!
     
  19. ScottChab

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    This.
     
  20. JackAttack 5958

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    Okay, let's agree to disagree but I'd like to make a couple of more points. You can be an effective blocker without having to "bulk up" necessarily. Many times blocking is simply getting in someone's way and making the EFFORT. AB's not a big guy but he's a much better blocker than Wallace. Hines was more stocky but he wasn't necessarily a big guy and I've seen Hines put 300+ pounders on their cans!

    As for the Wallace comparison to Darius Heyward-Bey, DHB would have done the same thing in Pittsburgh with Ben throwing him the ball that Wallace has done (IMHO). He has the same skill set as Wallace, the only difference is that Wallace has had Ben to throw the ball to him and DHB has had the likes of Gradkowski and Jamarcus Russell. Let's see how Wallace does when he goes to a team with a mediocre to average QB.
     
  21. antennaman1969

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    Let's just all agree to wish this guy well on his next team.
     
  22. Rush2seven

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    These posts make me wanna puke
     
  23. freakfontana

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    anyway we dont have money to pay wallace ,good or bad he is , so let's think about how to replace him in the best way and move on
     
  24. steelersrule6

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    Good riddance the Steelers offered him a fair contract and he turned it down. Some team will overpay him and he will drop passes like he did with the Steelers.
     
  25. fansince40s

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    I pick up a news paper, look on the internet, read in sports magazines where Wallace is rated the number one free agent, where he is considered the number one free agent to make an immediate impact on a team, now people saying this are ex players working in the media now or sports writers who have been following football for many years. Now either the Steelers don't know what they have in Wallace or all the other people are out in left field somewhere..............I tend to favor most here who have followed Wallace in every game and know his demeanor, he isn't worth the big money he will surely get going somewhere else.
     

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