Should the Steelers trade down from #17?

Ed Bouchette mentioned this on twitter it does make sense because this isn't a star driven draft class, and the Steelers need help in a lot of areas and could use some extra draft picks. They should talk to the 49ers they have 14 picks in this draft no way will they keep all those picks.

 

thats funny cause i just posted a mock that has us trading with the niners. we get a third and a fifth from them

 

I thought the max was 11 picks

 

The 49ers are going to get some compensatory picks those can't be traded though.

 

I am not sure they "should" move down, but I think they should at least explore their options. There are 3 factors in moving down.

1. Is the player they want still going to be there, or maybe better said, is it possible one of a couple of guys going to be there?
2. Can they find another trading partner? Someone who really WANTS to move up to their spot.
3. Is the return acceptable?

If you can find good answers to these, then I think you consider moving down.

 

Depends on who is avaliable when we pick and what the compensation is. If any of these guys are there i wouldn't trade.

-Jarvis Jones (OLB)
-Dion Jordan (OLB)
-Eziekal Ansah (OLB)
-Barkevious Mingo (OLB)
-Chance Warmack (G)
-Jonathan Cooper (G)

Niners have 11 and are trying to deal some for revis

 

jarvis jones with his back problems seems he could slide at the bottom of the first round

 

see that is why i would trade. unless you have one guy so much higher than the rest. lets say those 6 guys are there and they all fill a need. if you can trade back 4 or 5 spots u are still guaranteed to get one of them

 

Might want to add DaMontre Moore and Star to that list, who are both falling fast for different reasons. Moore's bad combine has him falling from top five to almost second round in some mocks, while Star's "heart problem" (which may be little more than an imbalance caused by losing 11 pounds in 3 days) is also dropping him down draft boards. I'm not a fan of taking a NT #1 (especially Williams), but I would take Star in a second. Evan Werner has been falling after a less than stellar combine. All three have been consensus top 5 picks for some time.

 

alot of guys will still move after pro days too. cornelious washington moved from an udfa to the 5th rd. at the combine alone and may move up farther. some will drop and some will rise. not to mention teams are purging guys right now and they're need will change. there will be good players to be had at 17,49,81,113. thats 4 guys out of the top 125 in the draft. we should hit on them.

 

I am with Steel1031 on this one. If you have a group of guys all sort of in the same place and a team gives you the opportunity to move back a few spots, and get another asset, it seems to make sense to move back. Now, that being said, last year we all watched DeCastro fall and they practically sprinted to the podium. If we are there again this year, you almost have to take the guy you didn't expect to be available.

For instance, yes I think the group listed is all about the same, but for one guy Jarvis Jones. If the guy is healthy, he is clearly a better prospect than the other guys. He would be a top 5 pick if healthy and teams weren't scared. He is a no-brainer pick who I will root to fall on draft day.

 

There is no way all of them will be there at 17. Of all of them, maybe Jones because of injury and MAYBE Cooper. That's it. Do not trade DOWN.

 

If Jones is there we better take him. I haven't seen a more perfect fit for us at OLB coming out of college in forever. The kids production is out of this world. I think he is a 7-10 year pro bowler with the Steelers. If you don't agree watch some of his highlights on you tube, that will change your mind. I hope he runs slow at his pro day to drop his stock some more. I don't want to see him in a Browns uniform.

I listed those 6 guys because i think any of them would be great at 17 and would fit what we do. Out of those 6 i like dion Jordan and Warmack the least for us, luckily they stand a better chance of not be there than the others.

As for Moore from Texas AM, i think Von Miller's success has boosted this kids stock. I also did not like his effort and attitude at the combine.

 

Im still torn on Jones. What if we take him and he's done in a year because of injury. That would set us back big time. He's definitely talented, no doubt.

I'm with you on Moore. I like him as a player, but I think he's more of a pure 4-3 DE.

 

From what i have read on Jones and his injury, it is low risk. Let's face it, if it was very serious, with it being a back injury, he wouldn't be playing football and especially playing at that level. It's not as bad as Daquan Bowers injury coming out a few years back.

I think the teams picking higher see the level of talent at DE/OLB and may figure lets take the player with less injury risk even though the other guy is a little better.

What i like about Jones is the fact that he has actually played in a 3-4 and isn't a conversion guy. He can step right in and have all the skills and knowledge to play that position right away. Llook at Aldon Smith, he has 18 sacks, but he is poor at run defense. Jones is the total package there. He is a great pass rusher, stuffs the run, has good coverage skills (which most of these other guys dont have) and creates turnovers. He did all this at the highest level of college football and played well in the biggest games.

 

got to see him almost every week and alot while he was at georgia and you are right, he is a game changer. that is why i doubt he is there at 17. i hope he is because it will be the fastest pick in history. someone will take him early. like the eagles at 5 or maybe earlier. i agree with you. i dont think the injury is a big deal. the kid played at a very high level

 

I love the idea of trading down but only a few notches. Somewhere around 25 and pick up a late 3rd.

Then again, it won't happen. The last time we where around here we grabbed Big Ben. Before that? Troy Polamalu. (with a trade up).

17th is such high value. I'd like to see some crazy tracking statistic to see the percentage go down on stayers coming after the 64th pick. to go 1 further, pro bowlers.

 

agreed, i think he is a top 5 pick but gosh i hope he drops to us.

The game changer in this draft will be the QB's. Teams always tend to jump for QB's but this year there isn't the big names (only 1 projected 1st rounder at the moment). I think 3 end up going, maybe all before we pick.

 

I don't think the Steelers will find a trade partner. Plus I would rather get the best guy possible at our pick.

 

i have seen several places where the 49ers are wanting ahead of the giants. i think for keenan allen if he is there

 

We should absolutely trade down if we can, and I would LOVE the 49ers spot... Part of me wonders if Harbaugh would want to deal with his brother's biggest rival though.

My reasoning for wanting to move down is I actually like a lot of guys in that range more than I do at 17. There's really not even that many "fallers" that I'd be happy sitting at 17 with. Jarvis Jones, Lane Johnson, and Chance Warmack are the only guys that would make me not want to move down from the spot.

I love Deandre Hopkins, I think he could be the best WR in this class but he'd just be a reach at 17. Grabbing him at 31 and picking up an extra 3rd (or maybe future 2nd) in the process is a win win. That's just one example of many possible scenarios.

 

Hopkins in the first round may be a stretch. I think the guys the Steelers want are in this order...

Jarvis Jones- top 3/4 outside backer, with actual experience at the position
Ansah- Report was they loved this guy
Mingo- fits our scheme and is a great athlete and pass rusher
Cooper- fits our scheme, better in space than warmack

If one of these 4 arent there i could see them trading back if they can find a partner. How bout ARZ gives us their 2nd and next years 1st for pick 17 to come up and take Barkley? but only if these guys arent there.

 

shoot if they offer that i dont care who is there. we can get one of the safties or jones.