this says it all

http://www.steelers.com/news/articl...3-4-OLBs/5fe1599d-d1b3-4f01-96bf-4ce80592f6c1

good article. nice in shorts but we want proven players. it's what we do. sounds to me like j.jones is right up our alley. we don't seem to get to caught up in potential alone.

 

I'll put my mock draft up (such as it is) prior to the draft, but if the Steelers can get comfortable with the back issue JJ would be a great pick at 17. The guy produces. Imagine this scenario, we pick JJ at 17 and Teo, because of his lackluster combine, falls into the second round and we grab him there. Am I dreaming?

 

Possible Ogletree will be there also. Besides his pot bust and dwi, word has it that he bombed the interviews at the combine. one scout referred to him as "an immature idiot"

 

Let me go 1 step further.

Production #'s for DE/OLB and OLB together. sacks the last 2 years.

j.jones geo. 28

b.jenkins fla st. 22.5

j.collins miss.st. 16.5

t.williams u.conn 24

s.moore u.conn 14.5............... best spot would be ILB

m.williams kan.st. 17.5

c.thomas stan. 16.......23 in 3 years

b.mingo lsu 12

k.greene rut 9.5

e.ansah byu 4.5

d.jordan ore. 12.5

b.werner fla.st 20

d.moore tx. A&M 21

s.montgomery lsu 17

a.okafor tx. 18.5

c.caradine fla.st 16.5

m.hunt smu 11

j.simon oh.st. 16

q.smith w.kent. 19

c.lemonier aub. 15

d.bass mizzou.westrn st. 26................. 39 in 4 years

t.johnson S.J.st. 22.5................. 30 in 3 years

 

If all that is true, then I would go ahead and pass on him as well. Talented players that are complete morons and have gotten into trouble aren't always a steal. Sometimes it really is wise to let them go.

As for Te'o, I can see him envision into the 2nd round, but not all the way to us. I think we'd have to trade up. Shoot, I doubt he makes it past Baltimore at the end of the first. I can even see them trading up for him.

 

But if someone labeled Ogletree as that, than I highly doubt he would even be on the steelers board. I think with Rainey and Ta'amu the FO is going to be gun shy on anyone who has major character issues. I know Colbert said if the right person came along with flaws they might be open to taking them, but i think they would have to be sorry and willing to change their life around. If Ogletree is "an immature idiot" as the one scout says, than I doubt he is willing to change any time soon.

 

As our brain trust has already proposed for questionable guys: a Mike Adams-type deal with strings and restrictions in the team's favor. Ogletree after the first round costs a lot less guaranteed cash. If he survives camp, bonus. Stays out of trouble/opening-day roster, bonus. Performance targets met, bonus. Stays clean, etc., ends up earning his full contract anyway.

 

The bad part is, the way society is going, and how children are being raised, there are going to be a lot of questionable characters in the labor pool... A lot less opportunity to be choosy on who the Steelers sign. There are idiots, there are football-smart-but-no-common-sense, and some guys make a mistake at a younger age(it may end up haunting them for a long time).

You can't exclude them all. But you can write contract language that protects the team and its reputation.

 

4.5 sacks is not really a terror

 

First time seeing those numbers. Jones has got to be the guy at 17 if we go olb. At a high competition school putting up 14 a year, you can't complain or argue.

 

On a side note does anyone know about Williams from Uconn? 12 a year isn't shabby either then again weaker comp but apparelty playing out his peers.

 

what i took from that is i want fla.st. defensive guru. look at the 3 guys from there. 59 sacks the last two years. i want there coach to help our sack attack. LOL

elvis, whats nice about moore is he's one of those two for one players i talk about alot. if needed he could most likely hold his own off the edge for a game or short stretch. plus being a stud next to timmons.

i would grab some of the late guys as udfa's too. quanterus smith w.kent.. johnson san jose st. to name a few. might as well pack the cupboard with some young guys. hide em in arts basement if they have to. add this to moore and we would be sitting pretty.

i think worilds will be fine and carter and robinson will be better as we go. everyone thinks they're worthless for some reason because thats as good as they will ever get in the short time they saw them in camp and preseason.

there are some solid looking guys not at the top in this draft if they choose to wait. i still think ILB is a priority , even if foote comes back. he's got to learn. 2 spots if it's moore. but what rd. do we wait to get him? if he's who they want.