Bill Cowher: 8-8 won't trigger Steelers panic

I completely understand what Cowher is saying and agree. I'm pulling for the Ravens on Sunday.

 

i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall for that meeting. does it mean he undermined colbert too? or made a tough decision that he thought was best for his team? i don't know i wasen't there. i think BA is hard to deal with. i think he was pissed that he didn't get to take the colts into the PO's after coaching them all year. i believe that had alot to do with him going to arizona.

 

Check out the shoulder pads on these guys. I played high school football (for a short while) inthe early 80s. I remember having to wear the "girdle"...having to put thigh pads and knee pads in my pants. It was like putting on body armor. IMHO, the reason we are seeing injuries like we are is because the equipment has become smaller, more compact. It's almost as though they';re not wearing equipment at all. Most of the padding is now sewn in. No more thigh pads or knee pads. I have seen one proposal that suggests bulking players up with more padding (weighing them down). I agree. I think it is one way to save the integrity of the game.

 

The great fans such as yourself!

 

The great fans such as yourself!

 

Your reply reads something like a naive hick homer fan would write. Keep drinking the kool aid and buy up those jersey's and nick nacks.

 

2005 we win the SB. Next year we lose to the rats twice Bengals once
2008 we win the SB Next year we lose once to the rats, twice to the bungles and once to the browns
That is my reasoning
2010 we lose the SN. Next year we lose 2 to the rats
I just figure we kickus maxim gluttious
That is my reasoning

 

Actually the Rooney's have good feelings for the Haley's My cuz's. Again I admit to never meeting either but, Todd's dad is Dick Haley. Former Dback for the Steelers and front office guy for a long time. Todd was a ball boy for the Steelers in his youth

 

Funny video of Chris Hoke talking about Cowher:

[video=youtube;odNar5wIzJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odNar5wIzJU&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

I've been reading the book "The Fix is In!" and I'm really coming around to the fact that we're being given an entertainment product that gets manipulated at times.

Fact is you're right about the money aspect. The NFL would care less about the guy who attends the game because the money comes from TV contracts and every team shares the profits.

 

well my 4 grand this year, not counting the parking pass and seating license for those 4 seats isn't chump change. times 43 years, times how many people pay that a season sitting in the stadium. that's a pretty good sum of money too. sure the TV money is alot more but, don't think they don't like all the revenues. alot of teams tix are more then that too.

 

Anybody else understand this?

 

Well, at 8 Home games per season, using your average at 4k which is a low-end ballpark and the seating license goes through the stadium I think and 65,000 seats...@ $260,000,000. Vice the current $20.4 billion rising to $39.6 billion on the next contract. Per team that's $1.23 billion a team not including the shared merchandise and licensing fees! That's just the major US networks, does not include the Direct TV contract and the overseas properties they're trying to get into.


Not saying it's chump change for normal folks, but these guys are making the most money from TV, not from the stadium seats as they are fixed at a certain number per city. The league needs ratings to get these enormous bids from the networks and the Networks need ratings to get the revenue from Ads so they can pay the enormous sums for the rights. It's a self feeding system.

 

I've been reading the book "The Fix is In!" and I'm really coming around to the fact that we're being given an entertainment product that gets manipulated at times.

Fact is you're right about the money aspect. The NFL would care less about the guy who attends the game because the money comes from TV contracts and every team shares the profits.[/QUOTE]

well my 4 grand this year, not counting the parking pass and seating license for those 4 seats isn't chump change. times 43 years, times how many people pay that a season sitting in the stadium. that's a pretty good sum of money too. sure the TV money is alot more but, don't think they don't like all the revenues. alot of teams tix are more then that too.[/QUOTE]

Well, at 8 Home games per season, using your average at 4k which is a low-end ballpark and the seating license goes through the stadium I think and 65,000 seats...@ $260,000,000. Vice the current $20.4 billion rising to $39.6 billion on the next contract. Per team that's $1.23 billion a team not including the shared merchandise and licensing fees! That's just the major US networks, does not include the Direct TV contract and the overseas properties they're trying to get into.


Not saying it's chump change for normal folks, but these guys are making the most money from TV, not from the stadium seats as they are fixed at a certain number per city. The league needs ratings to get these enormous bids from the networks and the Networks need ratings to get the revenue from Ads so they can pay the enormous sums for the rights. It's a self feeding system.[/QUOTE]

Without fans in the seats, teams will fold, with no teams, no NFL. Ticket sales are very important. If it weren't important, there wouldn't be blackouts, they want people going to games.[/QUOTE]

You missed the point. Of course they want people in the seats. No people in the seats means there's no interest in the team in that city, which means there's no reason for the team to be there because there's probably little interest in seeing them on TV or in buying the merchandise. Also, with no one in the stands it shows on TV when it is aired and looks bad for advertisers.

Take the Pro Bowl for example. Still gets good ratings, but the stadium is not packed.

I was making the point that "Most" of the money now comes not from the ticket sales.

 

Pretty sure you're just Trolling, but I'll bite anyway. So what's wrong with buying jerseys? How does that make someone a naïve homer?
I'd still like to know what it is you like about the Steelers? We sure as heck know all the things you don't like.

 

i understand it's more from TV, but remember we pay for that too. it's 10 games also they make us pay for preseason. my tics are 100.00 face value this year, and the steelers set the seating license that they said they would never do. yea right. i'm not sure what the kickback on the beer and food is or the parking passes. i'm sure they get a cut somehow. pittsburgh is actually cheap compared to some teams ticket prices too. they make money on the beer endorsements and soft drink endorsements at the stadiums, and corprate boxes, and catering and clothing sales and God knows what else. so, no they are not hurting that's for sure. i think last year the NFL cleared 3 billion dollars divided by 32 teams. 20.9 divided by 32 for tv, means the seats account for over a third of they're gross income. still a pretty important cut of the pie.

 

So does the NFL generate most of its revenue from ticket sales or network contracts?

 

Trickle-up economics at its very best.

 

Just because Art was a great scout, it doesn't make him a great owner. Just because you're a good salesman, it doesn't mean you'll make a good manager. Etc . . .

I never "(ran) him in the ground as knowing nothing . . . " It really bothered me that he meddled with the coaching situation, essentially hiring an assistant for the head coach, directing them to run the ball more (which they didn't) and, worst of all, doing it publicly. That is NOT the way this family has ran this organization in the past eighty years. They have been respected BECAUSE of the integrity they display. Going public? Giving a press conference about it with microphones jammed in your face? That is VERY poor leadership. It goes against ANY business/leadership/management principle. That's undebatable.

I may be in the minority, but I had no problem with Ben playing at SF in that MNF game two years ago. That game was pretty much the season for us. To me it was a playoff game. Win the division, home-field advantage, yadayadayada, or . . . lose the game and hit the road for a wildcard game. It's easy to sit back and say the reason we failed that season was because Ben played on a bad leg. Hindsight is as wonderful as conspiracy theories because one can never be wrong.

 

arts dad is still a big part of management here too, so i'm not convienced it was all art.

i do believe BA is hard headed, not saying he's a bad coach, but he likes things his way. i see alot of him in ben in that respect.

i still say he was pissed going into the playoffs this year when their true HC came back for it and that's why the hospital visit before the game. he led them all year and he got snubbed by his thinking. now he will run his own show and we may see his true colors.

i think art felt that he was the boss and BA didn't do what he was told to do , despite a winning record. i believe there was a little power struggle going on and art wasen't going to stand for it. a couple of alpha males butting heads and the head man forced it to be his way. right or wrong, it's his team. that's my feelings on it anyway.