Is this Tomlin's biggest deficiency?

yeah because that wont be easy to shut down ...great gameplan george halas

 

I will second that notion, I will qualify my answer, I vote NO CONFIDENCE IN MIKE TOMLIN,
I think we will see truly what kind of coach we really have here now that the talent is watered down.

 

A few times this year, I kinda felt, "Who's running the ship?" when we missed out on Bobby April was the latest. I just get the feeling Tomlin is in over his head.

 

san diego just fired his strenght conditioning coach http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/chargers-fire-strength-and-conditioning-staff/

here nothing happen

 

If only people knew what went on behind the scenes. People remember what they want to remember. I bet that most of the controversial decisions that coaches make during the season don't work out a majority of the time. But people don't remember those. People forget what happened over the past several years with Tomlin as HC. People just want change for the sake of change.

 

I agree that we shouldn't make changes just for the sake of making changes, and I pretty much said as much in my OP. I'm certainly not on the fire Tomlin bandwagon but I have some legitimate concerns about his indecisiveness, his in-game decision making / clock management and his inconsistency with his players (i.e. taking a firm hand with the RBs and seemingly giving the WRs a pass). I think a head coach also has to make bold changes at times to keep everyone accountable. The players have to understand that the reason a coach was fired was because of their overall lack of performance and let them dwell on that for awhile. If you continue to accept mediocrity and underperformance, you eventually become, well, average. Can't get much more average than 8-8. Is that what we want to be?

 

There were plenty of times where in the game decision making and clock management were handled properly. There were times Tomlin made decisions based on his instincts. Sometimes it worked out and sometimes it did not. No one makes the right decision all the time.

Tomlin can't go benching or having a firm hand with every player on the team. We are not talking about college or high school players where next Joe will be as good as the player benched. If he takes the route you suggest with professional players then he won't be a head coach much longer. Fair or not, players get treated differently based on their talent level and their importance to the team. That being said, Tomlin did demote Wallace to co-starter. Tomlin can't bench every player at the professional level. Tomlin can't bench players for every mistake they make. More times then not the next guy up will not be as good. I am not stating something fans don't know. Tomlin showed that he's willing to take action. No matter what he does it will never be enough for some fans if this team loses. There were 3 main reasons why this team failed to make the playoffs, injuries, turnovers, and the inability to close out games.

 

Lets be honest the Harboughs get more out of their talent right now. Our team has gotten worse from a talent prospective since Cowher left. Plus we have gotten soft.

 

I would say the main reason we lost is discipline as a team. If I hear the standard quote one more time I will puke. The standard only counts for certain guys. How about the fat LB has to run until in shape.

 

I'll accept some of those, but you can't call the fact he didn't sack the ST coach "indecisive". What if he took the decision to keep him? That's making a bad decision, but it's not being indecisive. The two things are different.

Sorry, late night and I'm being pedantic!

 

I agree you don't want to panic and make a change for the sake of change. I would prefer the Special team coach to go, but if Tomlin wants to give him one more chance, I can understand that.

I don't see any problem with snuffing out negative trends, and the injuries over multiple years is a major one... particulary to the offensive line. I hope they get to the bottom of it and make some changes. If the Conditioning Coach is not doing his job he should go. If certain players are just plain injury prone and not worth their salary they should go as well.

 

LOL! Not a problem. It's easy to get hung up in the minutia at times.

And you're right, Tomlin may have made the decision to keep an inadequate ST coordinator, thus making him "decisive" by definition in this particular scenario. BUT, he was also decisive when he made the decision not to go for 2 in the San Diego game because he felt it was an exercise in futility anyway and he certainly didn't want to put their top secret 2 point conversion plays on tape for other teams to plan against. I'm still perplexed about his reasoning on that one. He was also decisive when he made the decision to have Suisham's 48 yard leg attempt two 53 yard field goals at critical times in critical games this year. I won't rehash everything I mentioned but I have serious reservations about Tomlin's decision-making ability. So I guess in one sense maybe it's good that he's indecisive.

 

Throughout my career, I've had to fire people and it's no fun. It can be heart-wrenching in fact. But the fact is people must be held accountable for their performance. I think when a coach fails to hold his assistant coaches accountable for underperformance he's sending the message to the team that mediocrity is an acceptable standard. Sometimes tough decisions have to be made. While I don't agree with the Broncos firing their DB coach for essentially a mis-played ball, I do understand why they did it. You send a message to your players that there are serious repercussions for failure. Tomlin needs to do some soul searching in the off-season and ask himself the question, what is really the standard?

This is FUN! What color you using next, TE?

 

I don't know, that sob and the hack who blew the coverage are the reason my pain still exists and are now 1 win away from hoisting the Lombardi :shots:

I like the perdy green myself :mrgreen:[/QUOTE]


LOL! Truce.

​If TTF ever gives a prize for the most colorful post, I think we've got it wrapped up!

 

I have never coached a NFL team and never will and I'm pretty sure in sayin that nobody on this board has coached a NFL team. So unless you have walked in Tomlin's shoes this is a lost thread.

 

I think deactivating Ryan Clark each time the team has played in Denver since his becoming ill (for his own safety) shows great decisiveness and judgment. For those that think it's an easy decision, do you think other coaches in the league (Harbaugh/Belichik/Shanahan) would be quick to take the decision completely out of the player's hands? I'm not so sure. Anybody else think that not having Clark might have been the difference in one or maybe both of the past few games? I guess my point is there is different kinds of "decisiveness."

I also believe that most Baltimore fans feel/felt the same way about Cam Cameron that most Steelers fans feel/felt about Bruce Arians as OC. Harbaugh, like Tomlin, kept his OC from 2008 - 2011 and also for 13 games of 2012 despite a perceived lack of consistency on offense and the inability to get over the hump and into the SB (despite relatively good playoff success). True, he finally pulled the plug late this season and to his credit it worked, but i'm sure a lot of Baltimore fans out there are wishing this decision was made a year or two ago.

 

well, when you sign on the dotted line to become the Head Coach of an NFL team, you take on the hard responsibilities. that is your job, and if you can't handle those tough decisions like firing underacheiving players and coaches, then you are in the wrong business.

 

Hey Jack and T.E. I have a thought on the whole Plax situation that I want to throw out there for discussion. In my opinion I think Tomlin is very loyal to guys he views as being here and putting in the work. SO while Burress showed that he was ready in his try out and through out the week in practice, I think Tomlin feels that he has to go with the guys who went through camp and have been there the longest. This might be a trickle down effect to the Coordinators and position coaches as well. So while Plax is a big target and proves he can play, he goes with Cotchery because he has been here, or Sanders or even Brown even though they were banged up. Same thing with Hampton, he is a vet who has been there the longest and even though McClendon was showing more they still stuck with the guy who has been there the longest.

 

That could be the case, Thorn, but if it is I think it's a recipe for disaster for an NFL coach. Loyalty can only go so far in the N(ot) F(or) L(ong). Now don't get me wrong, loyalty is a very admirable trait but the NFL is unlike any other kind of venue. Players and coaches have a comparatively short window to achieve success. I think you may be dead on with your theory that Tomlin is reluctant to make a coaching move because of loyalty. Under ordinary circumstances I would say that's a great thing, but not when you're talking about the NFL and the need for success NOW. As a head coach, you've got to pull the trigger and put Ol' Yeller out of his misery every once in a while for the good of the team and the organization as a whole. It's a hard thing to do, but the job requires it. Not sure Tomlin has that in him.

 

Amen Brother Amen. People these players and COACHES make MILLIONS off of us fans
we (should) demand players coming into camp in shape, ready to work to improve, to put forth 110%
effort. Coaches, we demand or (should) that the coaches put the (best) players in position to succeed
and to be able to get everything out of them that they can possibly get. If you Are the Rooney's
is this too much to ask?