QB competition at this point certainly feels like ......

Who says McCarthy is a franchise QB?

 

Speaking of a poor, dishonest rhetorical tactic…

I’ve never claimed Mason Rudolph was “great”. I’ve said he had the best quarterback performance we’ve seen out of a Steelers quarterback in over two full seasons which is factually true. He had command of the offense and ran it well. Every aspect of the offense improved with him under center, the passing game (he kept both DJ and Pickens engaged which is no small task), the running game (teams couldn’t stack the box because there was a quarterback who presented a bonafide threat to throw the ball downfield) and the offensive line (who didn’t have to guess where Rudolph was going to be because of his clearly superior pocket discipline). Those are all facts. I’m sorry you can’t see that.

 

I know what I saw last year in Wilson, and if the Broncos would have had Najee Harris, George Pickens and DJ Johnson, Russell would have had a lot better season.


I think the notion that Kenny has problems under center and with play action comes from Kenny Pickett himself.
Pickett Admits He's Still Getting Comfortable Working Under Center - Steelers Depot



Sean Payton is getting rid of Russell Wilson. If you followed the Broncos at all last year, you would have seen Payton having problems with Russell from training camp going forward. Payton does not like players who challenge him. Wilson needs a more of a player's coach than a dictator. The only worse coach for Russell Wilson than Sean Payton would have been Bill Belichick.

 

My apologies if I mischaracterized your take. Too bad you failed to do the same when you mischaracterized mine. Twice.

Rudolph doesn't have superior pocket discipline. He just has a problem that is the opposite of Pickett's. He stands in there too long, often trying to throw as a defender is about to hit him, creating a risk for fumbles like we saw against the Ravens. He got away with it because the Bengals and Seahawks couldn't get much pressure on him. The difference is that Pickett is only two seasons in and could improve. Rudolph is six seasons into his career and he still has the same issues.

 

Lol…I thought there for a minute that maybe Scribe is capable of a little humility. Then I read the next sentence.

 

I did edit the post, but my response was fair. I told you that you mischaracterized what I wrote twice and you failed to acknowledge that at all. You told me I mischaracterized your post and I apologized. See the difference?

 

New Mexico Lobos???????

 

It wasn’t my intent to mischaracterize your post so I do apologize if that’s the way it came across. My impression in following and being a part of this discussion has been that you don’t want to give credit to Rudolph for anything he’s done when I think most objective observers would admit that he’s the primary (not the only) reason they were able to end the season with a three game winning streak after looking putrid in many of the games leading up to that with both Kenny and Mitch at QB. The offense looked competent and became fun to watch again with Rudolph in there after being painful to watch with KP and MT under center. IMHO, the difference was profound and I don’t understand why some aren’t willing to recognize and acknowledge that.

 

The offense looked competent and fun to watch with Pickett in the first game against the Bengals. They were moving the ball on the Cardinals before he got hurt, too, but Cole kept blowing up drives with poor snaps all game long. He did it twice before Pickett left the game, then again on the fumble on the snap to Trubisky in the third quarter.

I have written that Rudolph played well, but he was helped tremendously by favorable circumstances that weren't there most of the time when Pickett played. It is the foolish notion that it was all Rudolph that I push back against and I am correct in doing so.

 

You're a little late with that.

 

Yes

 

It sounds like the Steelers want to build a possession-based ground and pound offense that relies on safe QB play. Rudolph and Pickett fit that mold. Fields and Wilson do not. I’m honestly not sure you can win with a great ground game in today’s NFL, but since the Steelers are built for that kind of game I guess they at least need to keep moving in that direction.

 

Not that I want him, but Wilson absolutely fits that mold.

 

you cannot win big games with that kind of game.....you can just be good enough

that is the MIKE TOMLIN STANDARD

Good enough not to SCARE ANYONE!!!

I LOVE a great ground game, but teams will put 8 in the box. Kenny CANNOT throw them out of it. He showed it PLENTY of times.

 

i think they are going to try to roll with mason and KP. upgrade around them as well on offense. i also think we may have the o-linemen here already to do so. everyone knows we don't adjust quickly here. herbig could play guard. daniels could move to center and anderson could move into the RT spot. cook and moore as the backup tackles and they wouldn't have to go with high draft picks on the o-line. we could possibly draft a guard to eventually take over for seumalo down the road like zinter from michigan. they may also add some in free agency.

 

Exactly. That won't be good enough to beat Mahomes, Reid, and the Chiefs in the playoffs.

The 49'ers are a much superior and more talented version of that 'game plan' (who feasted on the Black and Gold Cupcake in the opener) and still lost to the Chiefs in the Superbowl.

Having an elite QB is what matters in the modern NFL thanks to the passing friendly rules. You must have an elite QB to compete in the AFC, especially against Mahomes who is the comeback king and utterly clutch.

If you don't have that QB, you have to keep rolling the dice and NEVER overpay for an average QB who eats up too much cap space. I don't think Wilson, Rudolph, Tannehill, Fields, and especially Pickett are the answer long term.

The only redeeming quality Pickett has is he is a Dollar Tree QB on an affordable rookie contract. After this season, he will be holding a clipboard or out of the league. No matter who the Steelers roll out as QB in 2024, they will be a one year rental who at best gets them to the wild card round to be humiliated. Fans need to lower the expectations.

The Steelers need to be planning for the future QB in the draft in 2025 and 2026.

 

Wilson is going to make $85 million the next two years, guaranteed. Denver is paying that. Unless someone offers him $86 million the next two years, Denver is on the hook for any difference.
He stays at home for two years? $85 million. Signs with us (or any other team for that matter) for $1.2 million (which is what I believe vet minimum for him would be), we pay $2.4 million, Broncos pay $82.6 million. I'm sure Wilson isn't going to be looking too hard to save Denver any money.

 

Outside of Tom Brady, who has been good enough to beat Mahomes, Reid, and the Chiefs in the playoffs? Could you make a list?

 

Wait a min Justin Herbert team sucks???? Since He's been there they suck. I like the kid, and He has talent, but to say He has nothing to do with them sucking is wrong. I have watched many times them be tied, in a lead, or just a few points behind in the end of a game, and He either does nothing, or turns the ball over. There have been many great players on the teams He has played for.

 

And check it twice