Kennys Job In Jeopardy?

I really don't see the Steelers trying to trade way up in the draft for a top QB. The cost would be huge and they have some major roster holes. I certainly don't want them to draft another QB around 20. Is Bo Nix different than KP? The Steelers could afford Kirk Cousins but it would be expensive, seriously limit spending money elsewhere and I don't actually want him. Some other cheapish vet FA, like a Minshew, isn't the answer either and I'd rather just re-sign Mason in that case.

So, what are the real options after KP? Trying to sign Mayfield? Ugh. Trade for Fields? I might consider Fields if the cost wasn't big but is that the answer? I'm having a really hard time seeing anyone other than Pickett as the opening day starter next year. If the team is actually down on him though this is going to get very interesting.

 

LOL You fit a lot of wrong into such a short post.

One, his career is not destroyed. The Steelers aren't done with the guy. He will still have an opportunity to salvage things.

Two, somebody did tell him to stick to the safe passes. They wanted to be ultra-conservative and that was a mistake by the coaching staff. It was fine for the end of his rookie season, but it wasn't the right approach this year.

Three, they did change their approaching once Rudolph took over for two reasons. They knew they couldn't lean on the defense after it had been gutted by injuries up the middle. Remember, they lost Kazee to suspension and Fitzpatrick to a knee injury against the Colts, right before they turned to Rudolph. They had to get more aggressive on offense and the Bengals and Seahawks were the perfect opponents for it. The only part I don't understand was why they didn't stick with what was working against the Bills. They were way too conservative in the playoff game.

 

Mayfield is a decent starter, but I think he will stay with the Bucs. I hate the idea of trading for Fields. They would have to make a decision on his fifth-year option immediately and he's just too erratic.

I think re-signing Rudolph or a veteran like Minshew is what they will do. Have one of those guys compete with Pickett for the job next year.

 

People are looking at Slovis as a first-rounder? Wow. I watched enough of that disaster at Pitt. No thanks. I don't think McCarthy should be a first-rounder, either. He is a nice college player, but he wasn't a dominant player in college. I doubt he is more than a fringe starter as a pro.

 

That's true in regards to Kenny during his rookie year, but not this year. Completely different personality and demeaner on and off the field

You have a good point there about Tomlin. Kenny looked like he was about to turn things around after Canada got the boot, and had his best game against the Bengals, it was unfortunate that he got injured right afterwards. Maybe they went to the well one too many times with Rudolph, but I don't think that's why they lost to the Bills. I blame Tomlin for not having the Steelers prepared to win that game. They came out flat as usual, and the play calling was way too conservative. Didn't help that they couldn't hang on to the ball, and the Bills mostly had a short field to work with due to Harvin's abysmal punting. Plus it didn't help that the defense couldn't get a stop when it counted the most

 

My premise is that is the area you would be looking at - talent-wise.
Purely speculative as I don't have any semblance of a draft board yet...
To be totally upfront, I want the best OT in the first.
I want a C maybe in the 2nd.. kind of flexible as LB is a need (CB too)

 

I don't think Rudolph was mishandled, his performance dictated how he was handled. Perform or don't play.

Same with Pickett. There were plays to be had but he repeatedly missed the open receivers.

QBs have to make plays if they want to get the starting job.

You are correct that they have a QB problem, and need to address that. I won't address your bias against Tomlin but it is obvious.

 

True.
I have been around Kenny a number of times.
He's not a 'pouter' by any stretch of the imagination. I know he is frustrated big time as this year has not gone well.
We can thank the decision of keeping Canada around for a large portion of that.
He is dedicated to playing the best. He has a good drive for that.
But it is impossible to not acknowledge he has not played up to expectations, he simply hasn't.
Sometimes you just have to round up the wagons and get ready for the next round.
I am anxious to see a new OC to see if he can tap more out of him. I hope there is no design to promote Faulkner or Sullivan to OC. That is a disaster.

The one thing I can't definitively describe is the relationship of Tomlin to Pickett. They seem to be very good, I've seen laughing and coaching and communication.
I think the QB not only needs to be in the OC's head but the coaches too.
But this is based off a small sample.

But there is one fact, Kenny has been nothing short of Professional in his approach.

 

He's lost his job, he lost it weeks ago.

MR is a signature away from coming back, I don't really so what else the Steelers can do.

What does any of this matter anyway when we've seemingly decided to try the same things yet again and somehow hope things are different this time...?


The Steelers are wandering around Fangorn Foreest with their head up their ass looking for a way out.

 

Performances didn't dicatate how Trubisky was handled...

His contrract dicated that, and also Tomlin's incredible aversion to seeing what's right in front of his eyes because he wrote a depth chart out 5 months ago.

 

I wasn't at the practice, so I don't know how the decision to play was made but have to assume that the staff deemed him to be the best option at that time.

 

There's some truth to that.
Moreover, they have a reluctance to admitting failure.
As I said in the first training camp with Mitch, Mason and Kenny - Mason was throwing the ball a lot better than Mitch.
It was like "we spent this amount, so Mitch is going to work out." when the results were fairly obvious.
It was also like Mason peed in someone's Frankenberry's. He'd be throwing and they would be reading the funnies or something.
That's an exaggeration.. but...

Mason should have been starting, maybe Mitch as #2 with Kenny learning the deck.
I'd note that Kenny did have some great plays also during camp... he was pretty solid. But a rookie.
I'd have no issue with him getting the Jordan love treatment, but Mitch is a terrible role model and Mason while decent, isn't a Franchise QB. So the bar is kind of low.
There will be 2 new QB's in camp for sure, maybe 3.

 

Nothing to be mad about. Mason is just better, it's not even close. It's like one guy is Goff and the other is Bryce Young. The gap is enormous.

 

Anf that tells me all I need to know about our current coaches' ability to evaluate qb talent. If we draft another qb these guys should get zero input.

 

Yep, I always thought MR was treated with some disdain from day 1, but that's another matter.

The Trubsisky/Rudolph situation has played out like every siuation plays out under MT, "this is the plan, this is the plan, this is who we are, there's no deviation" - until every situation becomes untenable and he is forced to give in to changes, like with Matt Canada, like currently with Percy Harvin, I could go on and on over the years...

He's stubborn past the point of idiocy and self-harm, trouble is he's harming us all, those who really matter - the fans.

 

They were wrong then. And later not admitting fault was deemed more important than having the best QB out there, with disastrous effect.

 

Admit to whom? I'm sure Rooney is/was aware of these situations and he's the owner. The buck stops there.

 

Admit to everyone, they're so far deep down in the group-think bunker that the've become resistant to reality and to change until they have no other option.

The owner? the owner is down in the bunker with them it seems to me. If he thinks what's become the norm is acceptable then he's as lost and as culpable as MT et al

 

I never said his career was destroyed, I was quoting someone else.

 

Sorry, it's not a competition, one QB is just better. If not Mason, than they need to find a better starter than Mason, and that is certainly not Kenny Pickett. It's not a competition. Good luck finding a better QB than Mason.

 

Ok so are you implying i'm a racist? Just because I think that Mike Tomlin is not a great coach and should not continue coaching the Steelers?

I'm not alone in that assessment that he should not be retained.

 

I want to see Mason with a competent OC.

 

well, THIS is true

But I will stand by my prediction that Kenny will wash out of league within 3-4 years.

 

Admitting to themselves.
You have to admit your wrong to yourself.
At some point there has to be a realization, as you watch Mitch throw the ball to the other team, miss passes, run into a sack, etc.... that "Dang, I was wrong about this guy, he sucks. Where's Mason?"
It's a moment of clarity.
Then if you choose, or if asked, you can say "Sorry Mr Rooney, we were wrong about this guy." It doesn't hurt.

I kind of also lay some fault at Canada's feet as well.
I don't think he knows anything about a QB. I seriously doubted he ever went to Tomlin and said "Mason's better than Mitch"
I'd bet his answer was along the lines of "I don't know."
We have to have a competent OC that can voice that to Tomlin and stand his ground.
We've invested a 1st round pick in a QB and I don't agree with any opinion here, I want a good OC to come in and make that call.
If nothing else, he can look at the draft and see a QB that is good.

And why is he loyal to Percy Harvin? And which shanked kick does he admit that he sucks? lol.

 

I think the media, as usual, is reading too much into these situations.

Kenny will be back, but he’s going to have to compete for his job. If he’s too immature to handle that situation, then that’s on him - not the team. It’s not like any other team in the league is going to anoint him as their starter. I think some time on the sidelines might help him develop. That was the original plan with Pickett - until Trubisky’s awful play forced the Steelers hand.