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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Spartacus, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. Spartacus

    Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Jonathan Dwyer (Pittsburgh Steelers) Attempts 156 Yards 623 TD's 2[TABLE="class: kno-fs ts"]
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    [TD]Born: July 26, 1989 (age 23), Marietta
    Weight: 229 lbs (103.9 kg)
    40 yard dash time: 4.59 seconds
    Height: 5' 11" (1.80 m)[/TD]
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    Alfred Morris (Washington Redskins) Attempts 335 Yards 1613 TD's 13
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    [TD]Born: December 12, 1988 (age 24), Pensacola
    40 yard dash time: 4.67 seconds
    Height: 5' 11" (1.80 m)
    Weight: 222 lbs (100.7 kg)[/TD]
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    Very similar physically yet very different in production. Both are 6th round selections, and are similar in age. Aside from the obvious, the offensive line, what is the major difference of these two? Second, how does Dwyer become another Morris?

    1. Heart/Discipline/Work ethic
    2. The system they play in.
    3. The lack of commitment to the run by our Steelers.
    4. Competition within the team.
    5. Undecided coach willing to settle on one back.
    6. Add your own here.

    Spartacus
     
  2. freakfontana

    freakfontana

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    oline and phisical condition
     
  3. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    oline...thats the key to the running game period...
     
  4. mdbates2

    mdbates2 Well-Known Member

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    I think that number 1 (heart/dicipline/Work Ethic) is the basis for much of the rest. Without Mendy to begin the season, the Steelers were looking for someone to step up and take the "feature back" spot on the team. They were met with Dwyer, who couldn't stay on the field for more than 2 plays in a row and Redman who is more of a 3rd down back than anything else. While each has shown promise, neither has distinguished himself as "THE GUY". I really think that Haley and the STeelers were committed to a successful running game this year, but they were put in a bad position because they had no one to rely on. So, I don't think it is a system thing, except that Haley had to adjust the system to the reality of the lack of a feature back.

    As far as number 4 goes - I don't think there ever was "true" competition, because NO ONE stepped up - and that led to an "undecided coach" who wouldn't settle on one back. Remember, the coaches see much more of these guys than we do and know how they work in practice, etc.

    So, to me, it all comes down to the fact that the "one back" concept was an open position at the beginning of the year and no one wanted it. It is a problem the Steelers need to solve for next year, as I'm sure they are well aware.
     
  5. Steeltradition83

    Steeltradition83 Well-Known Member

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    Lets not forget RG3 and the read option. When Ben puts the ball in Dwyers stomach the defense isn't worried about him pulling it back and running with it
     
  6. FeartheBeard

    FeartheBeard Well-Known Member

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    And the Skins Oline has been decimated with injuries this season as well....
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not trying to be a wise @ss but Dwyer had half the carries as Morris, 179 less carries, weigh that in for Dywer and he'd likely be up around the same numbers. But to answer the question, it all hinges on the line.
     
  8. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Not sure about Dwyer being in the same ballpark as Morris if he had more carries. Morris had 20% more yards per carry (4.8 vs. 4.0) and 3 times as many TDs (.038 per carry vs. .012 per carry) as Dwyer.

    I agree it is the line though.
     
  9. FeartheBeard

    FeartheBeard Well-Known Member

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  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wasn't trying to imply Dwyer is as good as Morris but just that his number would be up around 1300 if you figure in the 4.0 per carry you listed. Dwyer can definitely get the job down if he stays on the field.
     
  11. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    Vision, quick feet, decision making, option read.
     
  12. pjgruden

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    I'll take Number 1



    And 2



    And 3



    And 4



    And 5


    And 6. I think that's it.
     
  13. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Agree.
     
  14. lovembig

    lovembig Well-Known Member

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    the biggest difference is the commitment to the run Washington made and the complete lack of one the Steelers made.
     
  15. AFan

    AFan Well-Known Member

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    You can make that comparison with thousands of players. If all there was to player selection was finding the right height, weight and 40 speed, draft day could be done by computer. Who's more athletic? Quicker? Stronger? Smarter? Who has better vision? Who's more motivated? Each one of those things is as important as hgt, wgt, and 40 speed.
     
  16. RobVos

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    The Skins have had a terrible line for years, as bad if not worse than the Steelers. Shanahan simply is good at developing a running game, no matter who he has a a RB. He teaches it and it works. Throw in RG3 and the read option and you have success. I do not think Morris is any better of a RB than most RBs in the league.
     
  17. shadowmaker

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    Lets not forget we lost a key player in the offense, Hines. Something Ive noticed lately on other teams is they get blocks from their WRs and QBs. We have Heath but no really blocking WR. People keep talking about the OL but until Ben got hurt, their were times he couldve made a ham sandwich and drank a glass of tea. Even with the injuries of the OL it didnt look all that bad in reality. I think we re so use to blaming the OL but the OL has been built up the last few years. Our running game just sucked.
     
  18. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    Shanahan is probably the best coach in the history of the NFL when it comes to establishing a running game. It doesn't matter who lines up at RB, Shanahan will turn him into a pro bowler. He does it with every RB he has. He either has an incredible eye for talent at that position, or the scheme he implements makes it very easy to run through that line.

    Either way, height and weight have little to do with it.
     
  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Dwyer taps out after 2 carries he needs to get into better shape.
     
  20. BurgherBoy7

    BurgherBoy7 Well-Known Member

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    Morris also knew every week that he was the main running back. Dwyer had 2 other backs to share carries with, sometimes 3. I dont think our offense by having a running back by committee, would let any of our backs get momentum or on a roll.
     
  21. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I like Dwyer and I was really on his bandwagon in the pre-season and the first half of the season. After giving it some thought, seeing Dwyer play and hearing some of his interviews I just wonder if he has the heart to really step it up to the next level. He just doesn't seem to want it badly enough and almost seems content to be in the stable with the other RBs. Hope the switch flips in the offseason for him but he didn't prove to me this season that he can be a number one guy.

    Tomlin's RBBC approach really aggravated me this season but Dwyer didn't help himself when, after two straight running plays, he was looking to the sideline for some relief.
     
  22. MeanJoeBlue

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    Is it better to have a player that can run effectively, but can only stay in for half the plays, or to have less effective runners that can play every down?
    Considering how often the Steelers go empty backfield, it's not like they need Dwyer to be in all the time.
    They would just need to use Redman or some other back, if they are running the no-huddle.
     
  23. JAD

    JAD Well-Known Member

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    :this!: And add in better shape, he can stay on the field longer than Drwyer.
     
  24. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    Dwyer must take another offseason to up his cardio conditioning and show that he deserves to be a starter. He has talent, he really does, but that isn't all it takes to succeed. I want to see him be able to run a 5k in 25 minutes. If he can do that, I would be pretty happy that he can be a starter for us. Add to that some determination to keep the legs pumping after the first hit and he could be really, really good next year. It has taken him a couple of years to figure out what it is going to take.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think that's Haleys doing, it's how he likes to use his RB's, someone mentioned he did that in KC too.
     

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