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4th and 2 @ the 50 - 2 minute left, LET's GO DEEP!

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mikeyg, Dec 11, 2023.

  1. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    just dumb , DUMB play calling and COACHING.

    and Tomlin said he LIKED the play call.

    the game has passed him by.

    get the first down, advance another 15 yards, put one of the best FG kickers in the game on the field and play for OT.

    instead, we try a LOW PERCENTAGE play


    dummy coaching......AGAIN. Tomlin should have resigned THURS NIGHT!
     
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  2. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Probably was Canadas fault
     
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  3. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    The 3rd and 2 right before that was just as bad. They had a free play before the 2 minute warning where they could have ran the ball and have the clock stop.
     
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  4. JAD

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    Agree, one of our dumbest play calls of the year. High risk for a 4th down call and we only need 2 yards for 1st down and short time left in the game.
     
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  5. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    This. If we saw it and realized it, then what the hell are they doing on the sidelines? And if you're going to call a pass there, why not target a TE you can see from outer space?.
     
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  6. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    All these years I blamed Ben for the ridiculous 3rd and 1 bombs. Now I realize it wasn't Ben, it was Tomlin. Different OC's, different QB's, same dumb play call. It's obviously Tomlin making these idiotic decisions.
     
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  7. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't just the last 2 plays either. From about eight minutes left in the 4th quarter mark to the end, down only 3 points, the Steelers ran 15 plays. Zero of those plays were runs. But of course that makes sense when Mitch Trubisky is obviously playing such lights out qb!
     
  8. Rel

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    You assume that was the play call.

    In short yardage someone almost always runs a go route just in case the defense sells out on the short yardage play. It's up to the QB to decide if that go route is viable.
     
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  9. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin was asked in the post-game presser if that was the primary route. He said yes. Now, it is possible he's covering for someone else, but that's what he said.
     
  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    The play call is on the coach for allowing it to be run, but the the route that was thrown is on the Qb. Everyone that I ask says they played....if so....how many times after youth football have You ever heard any coach say.....throw here, and only here??? LoL. They may say...if this happens look here, but never....only throw that route, and don't look anywhere else. LoL
    This is what I mean by people adding stuff to blame Tomlin.
    Yes be upset that He was ok with the play call, but don't blame Him where it was thrown.
     
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  11. pczach

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    .....and the center can't snap the ball properly even half the time in shotgun. :facepalm:
     
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  12. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    i assume it was b/c MT confirmed it later.

    Unless he is lying, which I know they do day in and day out. lousy 3rd and 4th down, for sure
     
  13. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Primary route is just that....all plays have them....that doesn't mean You have to throw there....Hell if that was even close to being true....you wouldn't ever care if a Qb could read a defense, or see the field. You would just throw to the primary route every time. LoL
     
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  14. SGSteeler

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    The 3rd and 4th and 1 play-calls going deep is just fine when you have a great QB. Ben put those on the money 9/10 and we ended up getting it. They used down and distance to get matchups they wanted... It was good football.

    When you have your back up QB in and you haven't been throwing the ball well downfield all year, you just can't call that play and expect anything other than a low percentage conversion.
     
  15. Tweezer

    Tweezer Well-Known Member

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    Kenny? :facepalm::shrug:
     
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  16. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    He’s technically right. QB checks the coverage of the go route, then throws short.
     
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  17. PWP

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    The deep ball is his best ball had DJ not stopped on the route probably a completion or a PI.My problem with the play was the WR who had the go route .If the D was putting bracket coverage on George no matter what then he should have been the single WR side and routes running into those flats. Heck even boot that way get a run pass option.
     
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  18. Arch Stanton

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    I don't have a problem them passing on 4th and 2 because the Pats shut down our running game all day. But do you have to throw a Hail Mary into double coverage? They would've had a much better chance getting the 1st down even if they ran a QB sneak on 3rd and 4th down. Just plain dumb play calling that cost them the game, and we've seen this kind of thing way too often with this pathetic coaching staff
     
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  19. Steel Hog

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    IIRC, even with Ben we'd go deep on short yardage needed plays. This idiocy is not a new thing. JMO>
     
  20. nor

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    Mitch and the offense reminds me of cliff stoudt. Receivers don’t get separation so has to run. Or throw away. Or throw incomplete.
     
  21. Brice

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    I for one am getting tired of seeing the WRs flop on the ground trying to draw the Pass Interference call.

    It is like the WR is deciding if they should stretch their body out and try to make the hard catch, or flop around on the ground and try to draw the flag. DJ is starting to look more and more like Chase Claypool lying on the ground hoping for the flag.
     
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  22. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Ok, I’m just a fan but I have a problem with their basic fundamentals of what coach T always says is our situational football. Their schemes make no sense and the odds of working go way down. Go with the odds for the most part.
    You need a TD n the end zone if you’re going to throw the jumper go to George or your TE that’s what they do. That’s their specialty. You want to expose the middle of the field, throw the ball to your route runner, DJ, or your TE. That’s their area of expertise and where they should be used. You want to go long down the sideline well do I have the man for you. George this one’s to you not DJ or your TE that’s not their game for the most part.
    It get worse here, bear with me. If you’re going with that stupid play that every D knows, you know the one where our QB throws that silly screen level with the scrimmage line, don’t use George or DJ, or PAT for that matter. If you must go with it, use your RBs. That’s their specialty gaining yards from scrimmage with the use of their legs. I could see that working more often than not with Warren for example. With DJ, George or even Pat it can be a disaster more oft than not. Why are they doing that? It sets the player up for failure.
    They use all of em n all the wrong positions. Why’d you draft them for their particular skill set if you’re not going to take advantage of what they do?

    There are exceptions to every rule but for the most part practice and go with the odds (that players skill set). Then, on those occasions, that big game, where you do play em out of position the odds go up cuz it’s the exception rather than the rule and the D didn’t expect it.

    Ok, wore out…hope that makes some sense. Buggin me man…
     
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  23. Wolfepack88

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    True, but that being the primary routes says the play on 4th and 2 is set up to be a deep throw even if there are other routes being run, it's the primary route, i.e. read #1. That is such a low percentage play in that situation that he should have overruled that play call.
     
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  24. S.T.D

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    All it means is that's the 1st look. Which if You think about it ....a team defending 2 yards maybe give that up....so it the 1st look, but in no way does that mean....throw it there anyway.
     
  25. Wolfepack88

    Wolfepack88 Well-Known Member

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    Agree you don't throw it if its not there but man a much better pass play with higher percentage completion possibilities would have been the way to go if they were intent on throwing.
     

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