Tomlin looking for "football justice" with Kenny

https://steelersnow.com/tomlin-looking-for-football-justice-for-hard-working-kenny-pickett/

Not sure what this means tangibly. Does Tomlin think that hard work automatically makes you good in the NFL? That if you work hard, you "deserve" to be good, hence "football justice" means you will get what you deserve?

I got news for him: The NFL is a brutal truth discoverer; you can work as hard as possible but if you don't have the talent, no amount of "hard work" is going to offset your lack of talent...period, end of story.

Maybe this is why Tomlin has kept our punter, who inexcusably shanks punts all the time...because "he works hard." I got news for Tomlin: Hard work doesn't matter if it doesn't produce performance. Now, you'd think a guy who has been head coach for as long as he has would automatically know this, but I'm starting to wonder.

 

Tomlin doesn't make the roster the gm does if khan wanted the punter gone, he would be. And talent doesn't make you good either still need a strong work ethic.

 

I think Kenny does have the talent. However, I think he'll make a great coach someday if this football thing doesn't work out.

 

I mean....


James Harrison is an excellent example of what happens when one puts the work in. This other man is a major outlier but Rocky Bleier is a testament to hard work beating talent when talent refuses to work hard.


Kenny's issue on Sunday was not from a lack of work. Kenny's issue stems from a multitude of factors; poor placement on throws, inconsistency with his timing of throws, poor mechanics and footwork in the pocket, poor situational awareness and poor judgement... to name a few. Hopefully this is a reality check for not just Pickett but the entire Offense..; an Offense that I need to remind everyone on the board that is still very much young and in development.



Should this continue though?! By all means. Let Tomlin and Co. have it and then some.

 

As our CEO used to say planning is 10%, execution is 90% and all that matters. At the end of day after all the bs, the results are all that matter!! Hard truth did you or did you not produce!

Week 1 no.
Week 2 ?? TBD

 

Hard work doesn’t produce better results unless you are working on the right things and practicing the right techniques. If you spend hours on the driving range slicing ball after ball and don’t change what you’re doing, you’re getting worse.

 

those 11 guys on defense getting in your face can't help that slice get better either.

 

no matter how much they worked on kenny and his mechanics in camp when the heat is on against an onslaught from the defense it's easy to go back to what you did prior. until the new tweeks become muscle memory it won't get better. don't think one camp fixes everything immediately during game one. it's a work in progress.

 

Tomlin said once when Ben starts moving sideways along the LOS, that's your @$$. KFP doesn't have that yet. He'll build those mechanics as he continues to get NFL experience. Also, KFP's ability to process what his eyes see is going to need to speed up. These things need to happen and quickly. The season is here. I think that is close to what Tomlin means by "football justice". KFP is working hard, we all want to see the 'justice' of that hard work.

 

What does that mean? It doesn't make sense.

 

It does. Once Ben started running around playing sandlot ball good things typically happened for the Steelers. Ben had a way of extending plays and fighting off guys and still making some incredible play downfield. Kenny has not developed that at the NFL level yet. Also, He and the receivers are not as in sync as Ben was with AB and co. That is one phase of being an NFL QB that the greats all seem to have. Not necessarily the scrambling part but being able to make plays when things break down.

I think Tomlin was saying KFP is putting in the work. 'Football Justice' is that work paying off and things start to slow down for him and his ability to make those plays becomes easier for him. That's my read on it anyway.

 

No doubt. My comment was about Tomlin and the whole Steeler preparation and execution, not Kenny. Kenny won't get whatever the **** football justice is with Tomlin running the show. Tomlin is the guy at the range hitting slice after slice saying to himself after every shot - not living in my fears, not living in my fears.. can't control what the ball will do, can't control what the ball will do..

 

Isn't there players on other teams working just as hard? What then? Where does justice come in. This is one reason I can't take listening to him. Sorry. JMO>

 

he could just as easily mean kenny is working hard on fixing what the coaches want him to alter or just the reading of defenses and what to watch for. as i said before it takes time to get things to where they are muscle memory for players. it's usually not a one year, one camp makeover. it takes time. ego's can be involved as well. kenny could be feeling poorly about being made a captain and then crapping the bed in his first showing. the justice part is when it finally comes together and we are all hoping for that.

 

Bad memories.

 

yes forgetting the last play or game.

 

Nobody knows what Tomlin means...

He can't ever talk " normal "...Every saying is rehearsed and stupid, and makes absolutely zero sense...

He " tries " to always act like he's the smartest Guy in the room...When in essence his on the field product shows us the complete opposite

 

Maybe somebody needs to tell Pickett to be a goldfish. (I'm curious who will get that one.)

 

I think it's fairly obvious that an NFL Head Coach would have an understanding that nothing is automatic in the NFL.

He's saying that Kenny should bounce back this week - and that will do more justice to his work ethic than the previous performance did: "It’s reasonable to expect guys that work the way he works and prepare the way he prepares to bounce back from negative performance.”

It's also a classic Tomlinism, rather than a Rawls-Nozick philosophy debate, so probably best not to read too much into it imo.

 

It still smacks of ignorance to me: How many NFL players have worked their @sses off but didn't have the talent to make it? Right now, Kenny is showing no ability to feel the pass rush and react to it; I don't care how "hard you work," that is something you possess or do not. Big Ben possessed this trait out the wazoo. Kenny? Not so much.

Ben could "feel" the rush and react to it, by throwing the ball or moving out of the way. Kenny has the legs to move, he just doesn't know when it's time to. I'm not sure how "football justice" impacts this. But boy, Tomlin sure sounds cool when he says it, so that's all that counts I guess.

 

"justice" insinuates Kenny's results last week were out of his control or bad luck. Not sure that's what he meant. He loves talking in cliches and I do seriously wonder if he's not just purposely selling this persona to the media and the fans because he thinks its safe and its funny.

The NFL is not baseball. It takes more than individual talent, hard work and sound technique to translate into wins unless all of the other things are in place...every bit as important in the NFL is the coaching. Sure technique matters in football. But hard work only means so much in the NFL unless you're a kicker or punter. Yes you have to put in the work to be physically and mentally prepared. But it's also a team sport that requires good game plans , sound adjustments during the game, and a well coached system to beat your opponents. I believe one of Tomlin's biggest issues is his preparation. If we can't execute a play and the team is consistently making mental errors on plays I think it's safe to say the team wasn't prepared to run the play. How much time is spent making sure every player knows what to do? That takes repetition aka practice. We are either not practicing correctly or we aren't getting the reps. because more often than not players are lost on plays. The offense especially has been a mess for several years.

I have no doubt Kenny has talent. The team wouldn't invest so much into him if they didn't think he had that. For the last 10 years we have largely changed the roster over more than once. At what point do you quit thinking we just can't find talent and that maybe the leadership is the issue? The only consistent here has been Tomlin and he runs the show. If you honestly think Tomlin doesn't have the most say when it comes to the roster then I think you're a fool. The steelers have always had a collaborative approach to the roster. The Front office and coaches all have a vote. I'm sure some votes count more than others.

 

It won't matter either way, as long as his last game was a fluke.

 

After re watching some of the pass plays on film, Kenny's ability to read coverages down field is atrocious. Last year he couldn't ready anything past 5 or 10 yards. That seemed to be the case on Sunday as well.

 

The only ignorance is you not understanding Tomlin's point. He clearly believes Pickett is capable of performing. He has shown those skills, but he hasn't done it consistently yet. Tomlin thinks that if the player has the ability and puts in the work, success should and will follow.