Did Tomlin's SB win come with Cowher's team?

So does Tomlin bear any of the responsibility for the team's ineptitude? If so, how much? What makes Tomlin a good coach? Why has losing to "inferior opponents" become a hallmark of Tomlin's career?

 

pretty sure tomlins missing an oline...and has been.... this is the lamest argument ever

 

I swear people just post on message boards to hear themselves talk stupid...


A frequently heard argument is that Tomlin has always “played down to the competition.”
Actually, Tomlin has won 75 percent of his games (33-11) against losing teams. He went 16-0 against them the past two seasons.
This season, like in 2009, Tomlin has lost to a lot of bad teams. And like three years ago, the Steelers aren‘t all that hot themselves, mostly because they have been decimated by injuries. In his other four years, Tomlin was 28-3 against losing teams.


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Ironically though when our o line might've been at its absolute worst we won the SB. Go figure.

 

i guess that was cowhers oline too...ha

 

It took Bill Cowher to find an Elite QB more than 10 years. He had to put first with an unstable Neil O'Donnell, then he tried to develop a Kordell, who was a great athlete but a lousy QB, finally he got an expendable Maddox. I am not saying Cowher was flawless, but he worked hard to develop an strong and disciplined team. Tomlin has been riding on what Bill created and so far he has not showed the character to correct the lack of focus and discipline that the team has been showing for the last 3 years. My 2 cents.

 

The Cowboys have injuries too. The Chargers offensive line last week were all working as Walmart greeters the week before. So what's your point? Sure you can throw your stats out there about Tomlin's winning percentage against losing teams, but that doesn't mean crap when I think about their miserable performances against the Raiders, Chargers, Browns and Titans. And we all remember the pathetic performance a few years ago when we lost five in a row to hapless teams like the Chiefs, Raiders and Browns. Don't throw statistics around to make your argument. I think the starts show that the Steelers have the number one defense in the league this year. Do they really???

 

OK facts:

The Steelers have been chronically missing important players over the last 3 seasons due to injuries... anyone here suspects the physical conditioning team?
The Steelers had lots of problems with their secondary for at least the last 2 seasons. Yes they are improving, but why did it take so long?
Play calling in important opportunities (4th and short, etc) which comes direrctly from Mr. T. has not been very accurate
That fumble fest against the Brownies and the subsequent rate of turnovers reflects lack of discipline.

OK. Tomlin is not fumbling, he is not directly in charge of physical conditioning or working on the secondary, but as a HC he should be able to lead the team and get them to work harder while realizing about chronic patterns that might be signaling deeper problems.

I am not saying that he is the worst HC in the NFL, but I am still waiting to see if he is among the best ones. So far I think he is not.

And answering the original question: "Did Tomlin's SB win come with Cowher's team?" . My answer is YES. We still need to see a Tomlin's Steelers team win a SB.

 

We've been talking about the conditioning coaches for a few months now.

 

Dont throw statistics around? you say tomlin cant win against inferior teams... I just proved that is not true...would you like me to get a quote from my 85 year old grandmother...maybe that would hold more weight?

 

Just out of curiosity do you know when those articles were written? I mean are they considering this year too?

 

Lers, have you been watching the same team I have this year? Who do you think is responsible for the team coming out flat and unprepared against inferior opponents?Whoopee, Tomlin wins more than he loses against sucky teams. That makes him a great coach? Do you disagree that the team has looked less than prepared against mediocre opponents? Do you disagree that we seem to always allow inferior teams to stay in the game and that many times they have been able to steal a win in the end? Even when we do chalk up a win against lesser teams, i.e. the Chiefs, etc., we seem to struggle mightily. Who is to blame for that kind of ineptitude? And it's not just this year. Remember what Tim Tebow did to us in the playoffs last year?? This IS becoming a hallmark of Tomlin's career!

 

So you are sorta saying Cowher Ball = Get a lead, sit on it, play to not lose. Tomlin Ball = Win when you should lose. Lose when you should win. And struggle on the road. The one hallmark to me with Tomlin is that we've been bad on the road. Also it seems like when we have a game on the schedule where I feel like we are gonna get dominated we play really good or just flat out win. But then when I pay my hard earned money for prime seats in Nashville I go there feeling like we're gonna lose because A. THEY ARE INFERIOR and B. We are on the road. I know that we just saw the stats don't support the theory that Tomlin can't beat inferior teams but I think where we've allowed them to hang around for MUCH TOO LONG this is the PERCEPTION of Tomlin.

 

And the hallmark of a good coach is not only how his teams perform against good teams but also how they perform against inferior teams. Look at Belichick's teams. When they play a weaker team they go for the jugular early and keep pouring it on in an attempt to demoralize them so they don't have any semblance of hope. They assert their dominance. We always seem to play down to the competition.

 

Yeah but they win games their suppose to win and they are always in the thick of things unlike us hoping for a wing and a prayer just to get in the playoffs big difference buddy

 

"Cowher's Team" barely broke even with an 8-8 record in 2006 with Cowher still coaching in his last year.

 

Other than this year...which we are decimated by injuries...and in 09 when we were decimated by injuries when have we played down to our opponents under tomlin...you are not making any valid factual statements ... give me some proof over the course of his career...?

 

It took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl. Chuck Noll was with the team for how many years? He led the best team in football for 6 of those years, but his last 10? Why no Super Bowls in those years?

My point is that the knee-jerk reaction is to have the "fire-the-coach" mentality, rather than looking at the big picture. The Rooneys are good at looking at the big picture, so we keep coaches for long periods of time. When it is time for Tomlin to go, we can look back on his career and make assessments on his performance overall. Right now, he's a coach with an incredible winning percentage - 1 Super Bowl win, 2 Super Bowl appearances, multiple playoff appearances. He ain't going anywhere, folks - whether or not you think it's because he used Cowher's players or whomever. The Steelers record under his leadership is just too good.

 

Winning with "Cowher's team" is better than losing with "Cowher's team."

 

Not making any factual statements.??? Okay never mind. The Steelers have been
prepared for every game this year. Coach T had them fired up and ready to play against every inferior team they've faced this year. They were ready for the Chargers at home last week. It doesn't matter that the Panthers went to San Diego and beat them by 30+ points yesterday. Tomlin had the team ready to go against the Raiders, Browns, Chargers and Chiefs. I realize they lost to 3 of those teams and had a -10 point differential it doesn't matter, Coach T had them well prepared. Their game plan was awesome. Forget that the Bengals beat those teams by a combined +53 points. That was just an anomaly. I won't even talk about the Tebow debacle and the five game losing streak in 2009. Those things aren't factually valid anyway so why bother?!

To clarify, I'm not saying we should fire Coach Tomlin. But he needs to re-evaluate some of his methodologies. They're not working. The team comes out flat and seemingly unprepared way more often than it should. Tomlin better be thankful he has had a QB like Ben and a DC like DL because he's not the kind of take charge, lead the forces and develop a gameplan coach that can have successs without an abundance of talent around him.

 

Not sure I get this question. He won a Super Bowl with his players. He also went to another...that one was with mostly Noll's players.

The list of players the Steelers lost to free agency, from 1995 to 2000 is staggering. Remember, there was a salary cap in place, but the cap did not take signing bonuses into consideration. Also, the Steelers were still playing in TRS, and it did not generate enough of a revenue stream for the Rooneys to compete with the new money in the NFL. Players Cowher had to see leave because of $: Leon Searcy, John Jackson, Yancey Thigpen, Eric Green (not sure they wanted to keep him), Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake, Chad Brown, Levon Kirkland, Neil O'Donnell, Andre Hastings. I'm sure there are others. So when we talk about Cowher's ability or inability to win more, we have to take this into consideration. How Cowher took the 1995 team to the Super Bowl and the 1997 team to the AFC title game is anyone's guess. He was losing talent like a snake sheds skin. It caught up with them in 98 and 99.

The Steelers might have been short on talent in some of Cowher's years, but one thing you rarely saw were constant, consistent mental errors. Oh, they were there: the Metcalf two punt return TD game and the debacle against the expansion Texans in 2001, but over the course of his body of work, Cowher's teams were disciplined. These Steelers are lacking in discipline, the fundamentals, and a general idea of game situations. That's on Tomlin.

 

Which was YEARS longer than Tomlin's at this point so until we start seeing multiple back to back losing seasons I'd say the jury is still out on Tomlin. As for the discipline issue for what it's worth the Steelers had 0 (ZERO) penalties yesterday, even on the great punt return that Brown fumbled away. No penalties was a welcome sight after what we've been seing the last few weeks but of course I understand that Tomlin gets no credit for that because it's a POSITIVE thing LOL!

 

Sigh, not this old chestnut again...

 

Let this go. You same Cowher supporters are the ones that wanted him gone in the late 90's just like you want Tomlin gone now.

 

Wasn't there a same argument for another team that won a Superbowl? Can't remember....the Colts after Dungy left I think?