All time top 10 CB’s of all time

Let's set a few things straight. You made this about me first. Two times you falsely claimed that I was presenting opinions as facts. Misrepresenting what others post is not using logic and reason to back up your opinion. Falsely claiming that the person puts people down in place of making logical and reasoned posts also doesn't qualify. Your last three posts have relied on digs at me. Also, if you don't think most of what you just posted was condescending, you don't understand what that word means.

Another thing you got wrong is claiming that I made the argument that Revis didn't get as many interceptions because opposing quarterbacks didn't throw his way. I didn't post that. You did. Sure, that was part of it, but he also didn't freelance as much as some cornerbacks who come up with more interceptions. It was also an area in which guys like Sanders and Woodson were better than him, but a handful of big plays in a season aren't as important as more consistently shutting down opposing receivers. That is where the understanding of the position comes in. That, by the way, is a strong, clear, declarative statement of opinion, not a claim of fact. See the difference?

No, Gore is not a viable comparison for Green. At his best, Gore wasn't a great player. Green was. Gore was a good player and a compiler. Green was an elite corner who also had incredible longevity. I already explained this to you once, but you either didn't get it or you aren't interested in sticking to a fair evaluation of those players.

This thread isn't who you would pick for one game. It is who you are the top 10 of all time. If you want to move the goalposts for your argument, then do so openly. Longevity is part of greatness in sports, especially in the NFL. Also, I didn't say Green was better. If you go back and read it, I wrote that he and Woodson were a tough call because I am including longevity in the discussion. Green brought greater value as a corner because he was great for a longer period of time. He played longer than Woodson and he didn't switch positions at a younger age like Woodson did.

 

Couldn't/ wouldn't tackle AT ALL..P***... Totally a one dimensional player...Can't be ranked that high
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It's like watching John Houseman in "The Paper Chase"!

 

If there were a list for a team having a tandem of shutdown corners on the field at the same time, high on my list would be when the Raiders had both Michael Hayes and Lester Hayes.

 

That tandem just very well may be the final example of having two shutdown Corners in NFL History. There is also the combo. of Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield from the Cleveland Browns of the 1980s but both Michael and Lester played at a higher level in greater games. There are other great CB duos but I doubt we will see another like those two; doubly so in Lester's case due to Stick Em.

 

Houseman won an Oscar for that performance, so I'll take it.

 

I’m not being condescending, I’m just calling you out. Your talking out of both sids of your mouth here. You say “Longevity is part of greatness” your words not mine and yet Frank Gore isn’t a viable comparative narrative for you, yet he had an incredibly long and productive career. Did I not mention Revis shut down wide receivers. Or the perception was that he did. Some times these guys have an incredible year or two and they garner a reputation and then they go unchallenged and skate on that for a while. Not saying that is Revis’s case but it certainly adds argument to the fact that you can’t completely grade the CB all on perceived shutting down a WR. The position is highly based on reputation. Look at Sauce Gardner and Woolen from Seattle last year. Nearly identical stats yet Gardner gets all the accolades because of pedigree and draft status. He also gets away with a ton of holds. I feel like the NFL sometimes is so hungry to make stars in this league they are willing to look the other way out of desperation to market certain players.

I understand the position even though you keep questioning me on it. I also understand they are playing in different era’s and different defenses so it is very hard to compare and contrast. So the only thing you really have is the eye test and stats. Putting stats aside because Woodson clearly beats Revis and Green in that area I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say the other guys were more consistent and locked their WR down more than Woodson so they had less of a chance to accumulate the stats Woodson did. Just using the eye test and I watched all of them. I thought Woodson was more athletic than all of them. He had the size, the strength, the quick twitch, the ball skills, the instincts, the leadership and I just like his movement skills better.

At the end of the day were not gonna change each others mind. I just felt your argument of longevity and a cb having less chances because of his consistency and shutdown ability are limited when look at the whole picture. I still stand bye my logic that if you are going to pick a player for one game your going to pick the player you think is the best player. Its the same argument for Barry Sanders vs. Emitt Smith. Who would you rate to be better? I think most people would pick Sanders and they would also pick him for one game even though Smith was a great back as well and had more yards.

 

Give Me E. Smith.

 

I guess you really don't know the definition of condescending, but that was exactly your tone in the post to which I responded. I hope that example helps you in your future understanding of the term. (Yes, that was condescending on my part. I do tend to teach by example.)

Gore isn't a viable comparison for Green for anyone with a clue about Darrel Green, which you seem to be determined not to possess.

How many times have you seen Gardner play to draw that conclusion?

Nobody is disputing that Woodson was the better athlete. He might have been the best athlete to ever play the position in the NFL, but there are plenty of great athletes who can't even make it as an NFL cornerback.

I'm sure you think you understand the position, but I think you are blinded by splash plays and Black and Gold loyalty.

 

Yes I admit I indeed did come across condescending. I stand by my example of Frank Gore. I just don’t see anything that special with Green. You rarely ever see him mentioned on the same sentence with Woodson. It is almost universally Sanders and Woodson.

I confess I saw Gardner play two or three times. I just felt he got away with a lot of grabbing. On your assessment of Black and Gold loyalty and being blinded. That is certainly a fair assessment.

One other point though. The CB position is heavily predicated on splash plays. I’m not saying that is right but when you look at Sanders he made his name off of splash plays and he made sure everyone knew about it when he created one. A lot of people fall for that. I always viewed Woodson as more than that and as a complete cb.

 

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Woodson and Sanders are lumped together because their careers started around the same time and they even played against one another in a Super Bowl.

That you don't see anything special about Green just shows you don't know much about him. I lived in the suburbs of DC when he was in his prime, so I saw him play quite a bit. Relative to his position, he was much better than Gore.

 

Note that if I was involved some people would be complaining. LoL.

 

Woodson was a more complete CB.

 

Yes Green was great for a very long time....actually abnormally long time.

 

I was admittedly a little over zealous in saying Green wasn’t special. I just don’t see him on the same level as Woodson. But I have not seen him near as much as I have seen Woodson play. I am assuming you have seen Woodson play alot? At any rate I think we have exhausted this argument. Care to debate me on TJ Watt vs. Myles Garett?

 

LoL. Great answer.

 

I watched every game he played from 1990 through 1996, which was his last year with the Steelers. I wasn't living in Pittsburgh during his first three seasons, so I only saw the nationally-televised games then.

If you want to take the Garrett side, I'll happily tell you why you are wrong.

 

I think you know by now I would not take the Garrett side. Enjoyed the banter.

 

We've had some good CBs that wouldn't be in this conversation but were excellent players for us. Mention Deshea Townsend and people will laugh at you, but he is one of only 3 Steelers to have 20+ INTs and also 15+ sacks.

Can you name the other two???

Get the right answer and I'll tell you how Steven Ridley's 2018 Mock Draft turned out.

 

Thank you ..... Mr. Hart!

 

one was Jack Ham. who's the other?

 

Jack Lambert was the third. Townsend, Ham and Lambert

 

And just like Rodman, he was a one-trick pony. Just like Shaq he couldn't hit free throws. He's flawed. He's not the best corner because he can't do everything that a cornerback is supposed to be able to do or he refused to do on the field.

He was a tremendous cover corner. Maybe the best ever as far as pure coverage ability. After that, he was an embarrassment trying to tackle. He would let players get by him before tackling them or push them out of bounds. He has to have a dominant front 7 in front of him because if they couldn't stop the run, he'd be leaving town. I'd just keep running to his side and make him come up and tackle. You would be able to show his tackling tape as a comedy routine it would be so sad.

I could never put a player like that at the top of my list. When I think of an elite cornerback, I think of players that have great all-around game. I like corners that are big and physical, with the ability to cover and come up and hit in run support. The Steelers had two of the best to ever do it with Mel Blount and Rod Woodson. They could have played in any era, against any style of offense, on any surface, in any weather, against any type of WR and they could dominate from a coverage standpoint and a physical standpoint. Give two players like that every time.