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Interesting article on 1st round corner prospects

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Steel_Elvis, Feb 18, 2023.

  1. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    https://steelersdepot.com/2023/02/2...ntial-steelers-first-round-cornerback-option/

    Some interesting stats here. One thing of note, the Steelers were 4th in the league in percentage of snaps in man coverage. That’s not too surprising, but it is surprising that 32% was good for 4th place on the list.

    I’ve got a lot of film watching of corners ahead of me, and no firm opinions of any of them just yet. The info at this link is pretty helpful though.
     
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  2. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Show the article. It keeps asking Me to subscribe. I'm interested in it.
     
  3. JackAttack 5958

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    I’ll tell you who I don’t want it to be, Joey Porter, Jr. He’d be a reach at 17 and the guy has one interception in his college career??? I guess that’s why he’s a CB and not a WR.
     
  4. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Weird… I’ve never subscribed
     
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  5. SGSteeler

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    Well it appears that he was also targeted the least of those players by a pretty significant amount, meaning he had less chances. To me that is a bad reason to not draft a kid. Just because he didn't pick off enough passes.... Christian Gonzalez had 0 picks before this year in his career. Devon Witherspoon was a 4 year starter and had 2 of his 4 seasons end without a single pick. Just because a kid gets a lot of picks in college doesn't mean he will be doing the same in the NFL. Terrell Edmunds started 23 games over his last two seasons in college and he had 6 picks in those games. He's had 5 in 75 NFL starts.

    Idk. It could be just some coaching to get his body in better positions to make a catch. Who knows. I just want someone to cover. Even Ike Taylor (who couldn't catch at all) averaged a pick per 10 games started in the NFL. But he took the opposing #1 out of the game and we really need someone to do that. If Jamar Chase gets 4 catches for 56 yards for the game, we just win... even if we don't pick off Burrow on those targets.
     
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  6. Steelresolve

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    Well when you read the article they make a pretty convincing argument for Witherspoon being the CB that we should target. I highly doubt he would be there at 17. I really hope they do their due diligence for this position and make a wise choice. Cinnicinatti is the benchmark by which we have to compete with now and they are loaded at WR. Cleveland and Baltimore should improve in that area as well. In my mind we have one good corner right now and he isn’t even resigned. We could stand to upgrade from Wallace and Maulet as well.
     
  7. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    For anyone who places a high value on turnovers created in college, Forbes had 14 interceptions the past 3 seasons, 6 of which were pick 6’s. He did that playing in the SEC. I haven’t had a chance to put on any film of him yet, but those are eye popping numbers.
     
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  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Are You talking about Emmanual Forbes???
    If so....He is a person the combine could Help(I know You don't believe in it) , but the word in the SEC is that He is slow, that the Scheme Helped Him, all His picks are against the worst SECs teams(and non SEC teams), and many worry that He can't stay with the speed in the NFL (I don't know)....., but I could see if He ran a good time it would change somes thinking. :shrug:
     
  9. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Let me ask you this: if he looks slow on tape, and isn’t able to stay with fast receivers in college, would running a 4.3 at the combine erase what the tape shows? In my view a ton of bad decisions can be made by letting a 40 time outweigh what’s shown on film. I haven’t watched him at all yet so I’m not saying that’s the case with him.

    I don’t think the combine events are 100% useless, but they shouldn’t be more than confirmation of what’s on tape. I do agree with what you said in another thread about it being a bit more useful for small school prospects. But I think what’s most important for small school prospects is being able to play in an all star game vs Power 5 talent.
     
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  10. S.T.D

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    1st some of those Wrs may not be that fast....You are guessing....that's why a guy can look awesome in college, and not in the NFL....that's why................
    ...it should be combination of the combine with the game tape.
    I already brought up Jarvis Jones as an example.
    Red flags should have gone up when He ran a slow 40, and then wouldn't do much else in the combine...., but No!!!!... Tomlin(like You), and others said....We don't need that....We've seen the game tape....LoL :lolol:
    Do You know how many Guys have switch positions from the combine, and have done well in the NFL.....no game tape for them...:shrug: Just using Qbs switching to Wr, and TE is in abundance.....so I guess their game tape is of no use.....,and that's just counting one position.
    As for Your all star games....I guess You haven't watched one in a while.....because nobody plays more than a freaking quarter in those. Hard to tell how good a guy from a small school does against a power 5 school in less than a quarter. :shrug:
    You probably won't read this....because I already went over most of this before, and You just replied like You hadn't read what I said before. :shrug:
     
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  11. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Just because I didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean I didn’t read what you said. I just disagree, and we’ll leave it at that.

    How did taking Matt Jones in the 1st round for a position switch based on height/weight/speed work out for the Jags a few years back? There are many examples of combine warriors who did nothing on a football field.

    By the way, I started a thread against drafting Jarvis Jones back before he was drafted, not because of his 40 time, but because his film didn’t match his numbers. Too many of his sacks were unblocked or beating RBs.

    Like I said, we have different views on this, and that’s OK.
     
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  12. S.T.D

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    It's cool to disagree. I'm 100% behind that. I just thought You hadn't read what I posted previously because Your responses seemed that way.:thumbs_up:
    As for Matt Jones....I know Him well, and off the field is what caused His on the field problems.
    You are picking one Guy out of Hundreds that have made the change, and done well.
    Also Tomlin, and a whole bunch others said......they didn't care about Jarvis Jones combine because His game tape showed everything they needed.
    The combine is just another tool....just like the game tape.....if someone chooses to skip one for the other it's foolish. They should all be used. It's a crap shot as it is.
     
  13. Rollers

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    Here's a list of just some of those guys that did really well in the combine and even pretty good on the tape but flopped in the NFL. I have no clue how to balance the two but it seems to be mostly the game tape that should tell the difference. I guess if a guy completely screws up the combine you can pass on him. The Steelers have had their fair share of flops in the 1st round lately. So on we go to this year and the crap shoot that is the NFL draft.

    https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/li...mbine-matt-jones-vernon-gholston-mike-mamula/
     
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  14. Chucktownsteeler

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    I like Witherspoon from Illinois, but he may not be there at #17. Might they go with Porter, JR, seems possible.
     
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  15. S.T.D

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    Exactly is a crap shot....So to throw out any tool that may help You make a decision is a bad mistake in my opinion.
     
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