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Maybe Tomlin isnt so bad.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by shadowmaker, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. freakfontana

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    just to don't go to far did you realise what happen sunday ? we went in the half under 10 points vs team already out of the season with our playoff on the line ,i was thinking now the will come back on fire tomlin would have ring some bell in the locker room .....then we went back on the field and they let the chargers took 6 minutes drive to score td then the returning punt cost us the usual penalty that put us in the hall then we managed to pass beyhond in our endzone with brown not able to even kick the ball for a safety . that's was what we did after the suppose tomlin speech : 8 minutes 14 points to the opponents and game ended .
     
  2. Dwinsgames

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    am I the only one who finds these numbers MORE THAN ALARMING ???
     
  3. freakfontana

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    i didn't need this number to be alarmed this team has to win by themselves , (mt is not helping )sometime they can't . i hope haley understand the situation and take some more position in the f.o
     
  4. freakfontana

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  5. Dwinsgames

    Dwinsgames Well-Known Member

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    many claim we can win the 2 games needed to secure a playoff spot .. I am not so secure in that potential considering Mike Tomlin's Steelers have lost to the Raiders (3-10), Titans (4-9), Browns (5-8) and Chargers (5-8). 4 games that ended up as L in the win / loss column and if being realistic we must look at those games as a barometer of this teams ability ...

    if we are who many here think we are this team should be sitting pretty at 11-2 right now and in control of home field advantage the entire way ... instead we will be lucky to back ourselves into the playoffs ....


    you are what your record says you are ... we are 7-6 and nothing special
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He has a .667 winning percentage against them, doesn't exactly suck, it's not like he has a losing record against teams with losing records. So those coaches have a better record then he does, only Coughlin and Belichick have been to as many SB in that time frame too and Belichick didn't win either of them.
     
  7. SteelByDesign

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    Yeah what kind of messed up organization would turn it over 8 times in a game! Oh wait...
     
  8. Dwinsgames

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    you might want to read that again ....

    667 lifetime record vs the league for his career with 35% of his losses coming against teams with a losing record ... the lower the number in red is the better
     
  9. freakfontana

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    in short : every 3 times we faces a losing opponents we lose ,i have to remember when i try to make a new year schedule prediction
     
  10. Dwinsgames

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    Belichick 4 losses vs losing teams during the span of Tomlin's tenure with the Steelers

    Coughlin 6 losses vs losing teams during the span of Tomlin's tenure with the Steelers

    Harbaugh 4 losses vs losing teams during the span of Tomlin's tenure with the Steelers ( 1 less season than Tomlin )

    Cowher over same span of time
    7 losses

    Tomlin 11 losses to teams with losing records in the same span as the other coaches with exception to Hairball that has 1 less season to tabulate

    To me this is alarming , you have to win the games your supposed to win in this league Tomlin is nearly 400 % more likely to lose to a team that sucks than Belichick , nearly 300% more likely than Hairball , 200% more likely than Coughlin and roughly 160% more likely than Cowher .....

    that to me is alarming !!
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Still doesn't suck and what I said about SB's is still valid. Besides, 2 of those coaches are top coaches in the league, I never said Tomlin was the best coach in the league but he's definitely up there. Even NE and SF have lost 2 games each to inferior opponents this year. Take a look at the score card each week and you will see that happening. Tomlins still winning more of the games then he loses to teams with losing records.
     
  12. Dwinsgames

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    good is not always good enough .... that my friend is why we are not sitting at 11-2 right now and we are sitting at 7-6 ...........

    but if you are fine with 7-6 who am I to try and convince you otherwise
     
  13. freakfontana

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    you might want to read that again ....

    667 lifetime record vs the league for his career with 35% of his losses coming against teams with a losing record ... the lower the number in red is the better[/QUOTE]

    Still doesn't suck and what I said about SB's is still valid. Besides, 2 of those coaches are top coaches in the league, I never said Tomlin was the best coach in the league but he's definitely up there. Even NE and SF have lost 2 games each to inferior opponents this year. Take a look at the score card each week and you will see that happening. Tomlins still winning more of the games then he loses to teams with losing records.[/QUOTE]

    good is not always good enough .... that my friend is why we are not sitting at 11-2 right now and we are sitting at 7-6 ...........

    but if you are fine with 7-6 who am I to try and convince you otherwise[/QUOTE]

    now is more clear , we are talking about two different type of coaches , if we want a marvin lewis level of coach we can be satisfeted with tomlin , if we want a top coach we are far from that..
     
  14. Blast Furnace

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    We're not talking about whether I am fine with 7-6, we are talking about Mike Tomlin. I'm not fine with 7-6, but I blame the players for that, if you think Tomlin is sitting around all week playing bridge with the other coaches there's not much else for me to say. At what point do you start blaming the players though? How many different ways can they be told not to commit stupid penalties? They practiced all week, do you really think the players didn't realize the importance of Sundays game?

    Going for it on 4th down was a bad call, I put that on Tomlin, not going for 2 point conversion, kind of splitting hairs there but I'll give that one to you too. AB not falling on the ball in the endzone or kicking it out of bounds is on him, penalties the negate good returns are on the players, dropped passes for long gains is on the WR's, Ben throwing a horrible interception is on him.

    Anyway, might as well make your peace with Tomlin as the HC of this team, he's not going anywhere.
     
  15. freakfontana

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    if happen one time yes but if happen every time is on the coach that don't send the right message with firing people benc shout with authority to right the ship. tomlin's problem is nobody care about what his saying even fans doesn't follow his speach as credible
     
  16. Blast Furnace

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    No, that's how you feel. And even if that's how his own players felt, that would imply they know what to do but just choose not to listen to him, which again, comes back to the players.
     
  17. bettissb40

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    How can a coach say the same thing week after week and look at himself in the mirror everyday and does nothing to correct the situation that the team is in and then take a salary every year.
     
  18. biggbunch68

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    :this!: Thats because tomlin cant coach them up, for loosing teams, he rest's on his loral's Just because we are the mighty steelers, no one is gona lay down 4 us,... you think he would learn that bye now HELL HALF THE TEAMS THAT BEAT US THAT HAVE LOOSING RECORDS CELABRATE LIKE THEY WON THE SB... YEA I KNO MY SPELLING IS BAD TONIT:facepalm:
     

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