15 Pro Football Hall Of Fame Finalists

No Hines Ward or James Harrison.

 

They were all good. I'd go with these four not knowing who is first year candidate, etc..

Darrelle Revis
Joe Thomas
Reggie Wayne
Patrick Willis

 

Ronde Barber and no Hines???

 

for the sake of fairness as it iis I suppose… shenanigans!

 

Wrong Forum.


HaHa.

 

We could gripe about Hines and Harrison in here. I don't see either ever getting in unless its like Pearson last year for Hines 20 some years from now.

 

I think you will see James Harrison in the HOF before Hines.

Hines is a HOF in my book. But to me the hardest position to get into the HOF as is a WR.

Hines wasn't your sexy WR. He was blue collar and clutch. I would take 11 of him on my team any day of the week.

But when you look at All-Pro awards, Pro Bowls etc. he doesn't add up to some.

He will maybe make it some day but he may have to wait a while...

 

Torry Holt who made the list benefitted from Kurt Warner's "greatest show on turf." When your QB throws 55 times a game you are going to rack up a lot of stats. Ward played under a system that won by running the football a lot and playing good defense. He still ended up with 1,000 catches and won a Superbowl MVP. Hines Ward deserves in the Hall before Torry Holt.

 

All decade. Hines wasn't and this is easily the biggest reason he has a vote over him. 3x first team all pro. Hines never made a first team pro. Led nfl in ints. Hines never led in any major stastical category for his position in any season. And Ronde is like the only guy other than charles Woodson I believe with 40 ints and 20 plus sacks.

 

Warner after 2002 was pretty much done as a ram. Holts best season with the rams in 03 when Warner only started 2 games he had 117,1696, and 12 tds. He led the nfl in yards and catches that yr and was first team all pro. While I don't agree( it was either t.o, moss, or harrison), you can make an argument he was the best wr in the nfl that yr. You couldn't make that argument for Hines in any year of his career. Next let's look at the seasons he had the next few years with no Kurt Warner.

2004- 94,1372, and 12 tds
2005- 102, 1331, and 9 tds.
2006 - 93, 1188, and 10 tds.
2007- 93, 1189, 7 tds.

Just stop it. Holt was great. Had nothing to dieth Warner throwing it 55 times a game like you claimed. Also you forget the focal point of that offense was Marshall Faulk. Not Warner.

 

It's a disgrace that Hines isn't a finalist IMO. The fact that Andre Johnson is on this list and Hines isn't is an absolute joke.

 

Reggie Wayne was a number 2 for most of his career and he has a better case than Hines ward.

 

i would agree with that. They were talking about this list on Dan Patrick today, some of these guys had really good careers on really bad teams. The metric for HOF or not is sometimes just that close. Then they brought up Reggie White, 200 sacks...thats like 2 HOF careers lol.

 

Ward deserves to be in the HOF.

 

Andre Johnson
1062 rec 14185 yards 13.4 70 TD

Hines Ward
1000 rec 12083 yards 12.1 85 TD

Similar numbers but add in that Ward is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion, a Super Bowl MVP, and has 15 more TD receptions even with less catches. Then add in the fact that Hines was a great leader, a great role model, a true representative of his team, and a guy that would absolutely light up guys regardless of how much bigger they were.

I get that a strong argument can be made for Holt and Wayne. Andre Johnson I'm not buying.

 

He does but he just will have to wait a whole. It took cris Carter 6x to get in and you could argue at the time he was top 5.

 

HOF player is a HOF player. WR's that came after Ward should not go in before Ward. It's a shame that the HOF voters don't get it. That's just the way I feel.

 

Andre Johnson in his prime was arguably the best wr in the nfl.

 

That's how it goes. If one guy was better than another you can't just not put him in just cause someone had to wait.

 

The thing I always come back to is that the Hall voters look at stats and it their primary metric. So while Ward's stats are around average with other Wr's on the list his intangibles would make him stand out if they looked at them. No other receiver this go around forced a rule change and an overall change in the way the game was played. So yes they have better stats but did Holt clean a guys clock and force the league to protect big tough defensive players?

 

And yet he has only 62 more receptions, and 15 less touchdowns than Hines. Besides compiling stats what did Andre Johnson ever accomplish?

 

I mean it's Hall of Fame, not Hall of Stats! Hines has had more impact on the game than most of those WR on the list who were just great receivers.

None of those other WR had a rule made because of how they played. You could argue with Wayne because they changed the DB rule because how the Patriots were playing him.

None of those other WR on the list had DBs concerned they were going to get lit up! The charisma that man played with is insane! You could see his smile a mile away inside a helmet!

 

Short read from late Sept 2022

https://www.steelernation.com/steelers-hines-ward-hall-of-fame-reason/

Steelers Legendary WR Hines Ward Reveals the Real Reason Why He Believes He’s Not in the Hall of Fame as of 2022

“The feedback, or what I’ve been hearing, is that, ‘Well, you’re (weren’t) an [First Team] All-Pro.’ Well, I wasn’t in an offense to be an All-Pro,” Ward explained during a recent interview with CBS Sports. “We had All-Pro offensive linemen and we had All-Pro running backs, because that’s what our offense was.”

“I look at what I did in the 2000’s,” Ward continued. “To go to three Super Bowls, winning two. I was an intricate part of that team just as much as anybody within our organization. But as my mom always told me, only control what you can control. I can’t control [the Hall of Fame], so just having my name mentioned amongst some of the greats to ever wear the uniform, that’s a blessing in itself for me and that’s what I’ll hang my hat on, for now.”

 

Then You add people like....the someone that keeps commenting on here....that never watched any of them play....so only goes by stats ,and highlights, and it's very frustrating.
Anyways shouldn't He be following His boy Lamar.....,and stop talking about a true player like Hines Ward.

 

Another intangible! Dude didn't have an ACL in one knee! doctors missed that he tore it when he was in 4th grade, and he didn't find out until the combine!