Props to Mike Wallace. Team Player.

Then why is it okay that AB got $50M? He hasn't produced nearly what he did in the one year it seems his offer was based on. Missing wide open bombs that could go for TDs? Doesn't seem like he'll get his touchdowns. And he gets those same slant passes that Wallace gets but he never turns those into 60 yard TDs.

I think the Steelers overpaid for AB and it may cost them Young Money. They should have thrown $120M at all three of them, in whatever distribution. I'm not a front office type person. I never do front office on Madden.

One other point: many times posters mention we just need to score. Often the fact that BA had good numbers was moot based on the offense not putting up points. AB seems to fit this mold. What good were all of BA's offense's trips to the red zone w/out punching it in? What good are all those AB 3rd down conversions if they don't lead to TDs? I'll take a TD on a 1st or 2nd down pass to three or four 3rd down conversions and a punt.

At the end of the day, the team needs points, and Wallace provides that leaps and bounds above all other WRs.

Okay... you need to see more effort from Wallace and less dropped balls. I need to see Sanders and Brown actually score more than a couple TDs a season, each...

 

one must also remember Brown has missed several games this year to injury yet Wallace only has 59 more yards in receptions and has not missed any games ( but he sure misses a lot of passes ) Wallace has had more targets in the passing game than any WR on the roster ( by a wide margin ) yet only leads by 59 yards in reception yards over Brown and 67 more than the #3 receiver Sanders and Wallaces has started 12 games , Sanders 6 and Brown 9 ......

forget about it ! let him go be over paid elsewhere

 

Please see the 2011 stats. Mike Wallace 8 TDs. Antonio Brown 3 TDs (one was a punt return). Mike Wallace consistently scores more TDs than any other 3 receivers.

I can understand not wanting to pay top dollar for Wallace if you don't think he's a top receiver. I have apprehensions about $50M to a receiver who only scores about 2 TDs, per season... I like AB as a player, and he seems like a cool guy, but he's not scoring anywhere near as much as Wallace. And that's a fact.

How does everyone feel about renegotiating AB's contract?

Also, I hear your point about AB missing games. But nobody seems to care about that. Look at the Mendy debate.

 

the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league , 2011 has nothing to do with NOW ... what is happening NOW in this system not last year in that system .....

Wallace has continually **** the bed in 2012 and it is what he has done in 2012 that should be the most direct factor in what he makes in 2013 and forward .... looking at PAST years would have T.O. employed somewhere but he is not ... based on that logic and the issues we had early on this season running the ball with your logic Willie Parker would be the starting RB right now ....


Right now in this very moment Mike Wallace has earned exactly what he is being paid and not a dime more he has started twice as many games as Sanders yet leads him in yard receiving by just 67 total yards ...

Right now in this very moment Mike Wallace has started 3 more games than Brown and has just 59 more yards receiving ..... those are the facts of NOW not then

 

2011 stats? The whole offense was based on heaving the ball down the field to wallace, of course he had 8 tds. Nevermind all the drops he had in the offense tailored to him in the 2nd half of the season.

I used to be a big wallace fan, but the kid sucks and I won't be sad if he's not re-signed.

 

I'd love to also discuss with you the other points and questions I posted.

What has AB done lately? 2 TDs? Same as last year? Do you have any issues with his $50M and no scoring? He can't create splash plays that demoralize a defense like Wallace. And Wallace currently has three times the TDs of AB and I believe that was prior to AB going out.

How do you feel about AB making $50M and not producing?

 

I'm not saying whether he will, or will not, be re-signed. I think he needs to increase his production and stop dropping as many balls.

However, I don't understand what makes AB worth $50M. None of Young Money are complete receivers. I believe the Steelers need all of them to be successful. And $50M to AB may have crippled the chances of the Steelers retaining them all. AB and Sanders won't be taking the top off the D and catching TDs as much as Wallace (at least they haven't proven they can; see ABs drop in Ravens game). And we all know that's what Ben wants... Haley will dial it up, but not rely on it. Take Wallace away, and you take that option away. Wallace is routinely (which means even now) scoring multiple times the TDs of other receivers and no other 2-3 receivers can combine to those numbers.

3rd down conversions don't win games. Having more points than the other team does. And a crap ton of yards receiving doesn't mean squat without points scored. BA proved that getting into the red zone and gaining large amounts of offensive yards, but couldn't get the ball in the end zone.

The Steelers would be best served figuring out how to best use both Wallace and AB. If they get rid of Wallace then they better find someone who can do what he does.

 

sorry I can not fault a man going down to injury it happens and loss of production is part of being out of the lineup ...

If A.B. got the amount of targets Wallaces gets he would surpass everything Wallace does , hell he equals him now basically with far less targets , less games ...Brown is capable of splash plays with equal opportunity I think he proves that ... another thing your failing to realize is they are used in a different manner , Wallace gets 95% of the go routes in this offense , those are the " big hitters " in this offense give Sanders or Brown those same opportunities and I think you would be amazed at the results , Both Brown and Sanders have better hands than Wallace , both are still plenty fast 4.3 - 40 range and both are far more elusive than Wallace and run better routes ....

honestly I hate to be cliche but Wallace is 1 leg injury away from not even being able to make an NFL roster , he is that much of a 1 trick pony

 

not correct dwins. AB has 5 less catches this year then wallace. last year he ended 3 catches less then wallace. as of right now AB leads in YAC. last year he wasen't close to wallace in YAC. AB in his career has 1 less TD then sanders does. AB is not a 4.3 guy.

AB is a very talented #2. same as in college. the best #2 in the league i would say. sanders will be the #1 if wallace goes. brown however will make the money of those two. don't seem fair but they are commited now. sanders health is his issue. those feet gave him fits. i believe if he stays healthy, he could surpass brown as a complete receiver one day. he doesn't have the wiggle brown does , but his routes are run well. both of those guys need to get in the EZ though. wallace has shown he can with near the same catches as AB.

 

HUGE difference in TARGETS and catches ... Wallace leads all Steelers receivers in TARGETS by a large margin ... just because he fails to make as high of percentages of catches does not mean the ball is not being thrown to him far more often than anyone else ...

it is my conclusion that take wallace out of the equation and spend those same amount of passes divied up between Brown and Sanders along with what they get now and you have more production than what we get from Wallace / Brown / Sanders ... Wallaces alarming drop rate hurts this team as much or more than his deep ball ability helps it ....


Browns 40 time is 4.4 not 4.3 as is Sanders but both are cat like quick to go with it

 

I have been thinking a lot lately about Wallace and why or why not we should keep him. I say keep him and convert him into a shutdown corner. At least when he drops the ball it would be well defensed and when he does catch one once in awhile it will be a great interception. His play at WR this year has clearly been mediocre at best. He will not return to Pittsburgh as a WR unless he signs for the league minimum. We have too much talent behind him to waste big money on him.

 

way to many drops this year. i agree with that. still he's got their #1 cover guy and that guy has help alot of the time. sanders is going to require some money by 2014. they will have to replace wallace with some talent. i'd have to say by rd. 4 anyway. cotchery-burress in the wings would fit the bill with a good draft pick in his rookie year. i don't think wallace is that bad but i also think he's gone too. we don't have the money for next year. we got off easy with him a 2.7 mil. this year and they rode it.

 

Many of those targets are deep bombs. You're right... he's (Wallace) used different... and gets more crappy throws sent his way. QBs have an easier throw with Brown since he's in a mid-range throw that QBs can make with more accuracy.

If you want to start breaking it down, then let's be fair. On the similar mid-range catches, Wallace drops more, it seems (I have no proof, at this time). But Brown doesn't haul in the deep ball like Wallace... AB catches against the helmet and then the drop the other day (he looked lost). It appears that Brown doesn't know how to go get the deep ball... That's actually how he hurt himself... he kept tripping over DBs on go routes... go back and take a look... that's how he got hurt... I thought he was getting tripped, but he's not running the deep route well... because Wallace doesn't have that problem.

AB got paid $50M because of what he did, last year. Nobody seems to have a problem with that. By that logic... Wallace should be getting $50M just based off of putting up all the points he does. Last year he combined with Mendy to account for about half the Steelers TDs for the season (17 total between them, 9 Mendy, 8 Wallace; Steeler total was 36).

Go ahead... get rid of the home run hitters.

 

Also, Dwins... Correct me if I'm wrong, but Wallace went on a TD drought after AB went out. So, in about as many games, Wallace has three times the TDs of AB.

And they both catch slant patterns. Wallace has a tendency to take those to the house. AB not so much.

 

Ok just for ****s and giggles, lets have Mike Wallace field all punts
like AB does and lets watch his production after he does this. People
AB is light years ahead of Mike Wallace as a complete WR. Watch very closely,
the Steelers have.

 

He would first have to learn to fight for the ball. He doesn't do this as a WR and I don't think he would do it as a CB. Also he would "lose focus" when opposing teams threw away from him and wind up giving up the big play because of it.

 

he was offered that contract prior to Brown being offered it , Wallace turned it down ... Brown signed it ...

 

Wallace went on a half season drought from the mid point on last year too and never came out of it ... was leading the league in almost every category before he went belly up ...

 

you like to bring up Wallaces homerun ability and Browns lack of it, but why does Brown have more YAC? Brown does more after he catches the ball. so does Sanders. Wallace is a homerun hitter, but thats it. hes a specialist. hes not the guy that helps them get down the field.

yes he leads the wrs in tds and that cant be argued, but if he wasnt on the team AB and Sanders would have more tds. he caught a bunch of tds in the beggining of the season, but he has all but dissapeared since.

i DO NOT WANT TO SEE THEM LOSE WALLACE, but to keep saying that AB isnt better based on tds alone is ridiculous.

AB abd Sanders would be just fine without Wallace, but Wallace would be almost non existent without those guys. AB and Sanders get open with their ability to run great routes. Wallaces ability is in a straight line and you better hope the ball is thrown perfect because if its not we all know hes not going to make any effort to try and adjust to catch it.

 

Mike Wallace = FLOP