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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by S.T.D, Oct 19, 2022.

  1. mytake

    mytake Well-Known Member

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    The point is Alualu was the depth piece for Heyward and Tuitt. When they moved Alualu to nose, the Steelers weren't able to find a depth piece to replace Alualu. That was the value they lost in Hargrave, which hurt the defense more than expected.
     
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  2. nor

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    because the steelers staff makes an educated judgement call on each player to let go. so far the steelers have made mostly correct calls on when the player is a declining talent so that's why the player doesn't play as well with the new team.
    To use a similar metaphor....why is it that the used family car I sell with 100,000 miles doesn't perform as well with the next owners as it did when I bought it new for my family? Well, geez, it's because I put miles on it and and years on it and made the evaluation that it was as good anymore so that's why I dumped it.

    allow me to address some individual cases that are mentioned here that are exceptions:
    emmanuel sanders--he and keenan Lewis and others were collateral damage from the Colbert/Tomlin decision to make one more run with the old guys (Troy, Hampton, keisel, ike taylor, etc) that prevented the steelers from paying to keep the young guys. that's why sanders did better with other teams. he wasn't let go because he was cooked.

    hargrave obviously because we couldn't afford to keep him and tuitt. once again, he did well after leaving the steelers because he wasn't released because of declining talent.

    vrabel was one that was misused. we never did find a place for him but Belichick did. because vrabel's elite skill was versatility. we tried to stick him in one pigeon hole, failed, and BB moved him around so vrabel's true role at every snap was a mystery to the offense.

    blount and ingram----attitude problems here led to poor performance here.

    so there you have it. a couple of unique case exceptions but no Johnny Unitas examples of let go here and in the HOF
     
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  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Thanks:thumbs_up:
     
  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    It's totally cool. I just got confused. :thumbs_up: My Bad.
     
  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    No because some weren't even of Tomlin players, and I do believe Duprees injury Here was almost the same that We saw pretty much end K. Bells carrier.
     
  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure how realistic it was, but I agree he should have been a higher priority. That is especially true given that they don't really use a true nose tackle very often any longer. He would be a fantastic fit in the current scheme.
     
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  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    His argument was better than yours because he actually provided ample evidence. It wasn't perfect and he did go back too far, but you have only brought up three players to support your claim. That isn't nearly enough, especially because Dupree has other factors leading to his decline and the statistics you provided for Conner were misleading. You compared his total yards and touchdowns between the two teams, but he played 50 games for the Steelers and he has played only 20 for the Cardinals. That is not at all valid.

    So far you have provided valid evidence for exactly one player who fits your theory, Fitzpatrick. That isn't enough. That you continue to refuse to support your claim just demonstrates that you can't.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Hargrave was also better, though Alualu did respond with a career year.
     
  9. MojaveDesertPghFan

    MojaveDesertPghFan Obscured by clouds

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    Gotta watch that, they'll make you hide your own Easter Eggs this next year like a few of us around here. :lolol:
     
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  10. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I think I just found a hundred year old egg

    The Chinese say these are good
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL
    Out of the list
    Lewis wasn't better go look .
    Blount didn't hardly play so can make no comparison.
    Look at stats, and wins, and losses before You comment Blast. Most the Guys He listed where better Here....he just said they weren't with no proof....I've given proof in countless different comments....So try reading before You post nonsense Blast.....now guys like Blount....I couldn't tell You because He didn't start a game, and barely played....same with Melvin Ingram. Neither played long enough 2 compare, and if You want to compare Ingram....He did better in 6 games with Steelers than He did in 9 with KC that Year. So.....:shrug:
    Same with A. Burns way better Here than elsewhere.....4ints, 1FF, 149 tackles here....everywhere else added together....0ints,0 FF, 23 tackles.....so as I show You none of this supports what He said.....
    I thought better of You. LoL.
    Again I don't talk if I can't back it up.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You mad bro? Wow.

    Chill man. I said I didnt agreed with all his evaluations but your whole argument is faulty and vague and as Scribe has said, you have provided nothing to back up your claim outside of a couple players.
     
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  13. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Not mad....disappointed....thought You were brighter....I went through a whole freaking list of players that actually played/drafted since Tomlin, and When they left.
    Also did the same with players that they actually bought in ....that actually played.....,and in all that about 88% were better Here.
    I've given 6 different proofs. I'm not typing them all out. I just went through half his list throughout the comments, and proved it wrong.
    I don't just pull stuff out My a$$.....Thought You were better, but not mad....I actually find it funny.....don't let actual facts confuse what You want to believe. :thumbs_up:
     
  14. MojaveDesertPghFan

    MojaveDesertPghFan Obscured by clouds

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    Wonder what the shelf life of something like that is? :puking 4:
     
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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Sure, not mad, thats why you are resorting to insults.

    It’s a dumb argument which is highly flawed. Just about everyone if not everyone has disagreed with you but you’re the smart one.

    Also you dont know **** about how to research. You’re little 5 minute google search isn’t research.
     
  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I googled how to make these what they taste like and what they look like

    I decided to save it for “what’s cooking”
     
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  17. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Is that tang your spitting out there???
    LoL.
    I ate a Laos version of the 100 year egg, I can't remember what they call it, but I didn't like it very much.
     
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  18. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I was once told by a wise poster, sort of a “likable” guy that when I responded like this I should be nice
     
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  19. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I spent all night. LoL.
    I'm not arguing with You....same guy who last year said Canada fault was Ben. I could make a list but I won't. It's not about who's smarter....it's about who has looked up facts, and who is just going off the top of their heads.....also.....I have never followed a crowd.....Mob mentality has never appealed to Me. LoL.
    Also I never insulted You, or if I did it wasn't My intention ....So I'm sorry....I truly expected more from You. By now You should know I wouldn't start a post claiming something if I already didn't have proof. :shrug:
    I'd say 88% of all the players is good proof .:shrug::hmm:
     
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  20. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You are correct:thumbs_up:.....I was out of line, and I apologize now @Blast Furnace@Blast Furnace , and I did in another comment.
    Thank You for pointing it out My Friend.
     
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  21. Rel

    Rel Well-Known Member

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    No he didn’t, Sanders played really well for the Steelers. The only reason his numbers were better for Denver was because he was now the number one receiver as opposed to be number two behind Brown.
     
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  22. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but it was one I wasn't willing to argue.
     
  23. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Actually wasn’t he number 3 also behind Wallace
     
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  24. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    I like Tomlin but let’s be real… his decade of terror looks like a peanut on a plate
     
  25. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    You haven't backed it up. You claim you have all this research, but you won't show it, which tells us that you don't have it.

    Blount was successful elsewhere, but the Steelers couldn't get anything out of him. That goes against your point.

    Burns is yet another example of you trying to pass off misleading statistics as legitimate. You are comparing counting statistics even though he played 58 games as a Steeler and only 12 elsewhere. That would be like me pointing out that Melvin Ingram had only one sack and no Pro Bowl appearances as a Steeler, but he has 52 sacks and three Pro Bowls while playing elsewhere. I guess that means the Steelers screwed up a guy who has been a damn good player everywhere else.

    Back to Burns, he showed promise at one point, then completely fell apart while the Steelers were coaching him. He was a failure by the Pittsburgh coaching staff.

    You really suck at this.
     
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