Fire Garret Giemont immediately!

For those of you that don't know who Garret Giemont is, he's the Conditioning Coordinator for the Steelers. The linked article from the PTR is reason enough. In the article, two coaches make reference to individual players and question their conditioning. Haley talks about how Dwyer needs to essentially man up and stop taking himself out of games because he needs a breather. Keith Butler calls out Woodley and says he needs to do more conditioning work and get his hamstrings in shape. Those are pretty strong implications from two key coaches regarding insufficient conditioning of key players. We've had some pretty robust debates on this board about other players, Troy for one, that may be lacking in overall conditioning. If I'm the Steelers, I start taking a long, hard look at Garret Giemont's methodologies and strongly consider making a change.

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Agree, Tomlin should either get rid of the coach or the routine they are using for strength and conditioning. Other then Pouncy all the linemen look out of shape. I believe we must lead the league in injuries.

 

I have been saying for some time that the rash of injuries this team faces, annually, is due in big part to poor technique and conditioning. Good to see that assertion supported.

 

Me too! I could probably find 5 or 6 posts from the last week or so where I've been saying we need to can these people that are responsible for things like this. Noone seemed to know who was responsible or even if anyone was responsible at all for that matter. Does this guy have anything to do will Timmons? He seems to be healthy all the time.

 

Genetics.

High-level athletes are continually hammered and it's usually the ones who can stay healthy the longest/most that have successful careers. Division-I and Olympic hopefuls face some of the most grueling workouts out there and the gold medalists and champions get there by staying the healthiest in order to face more workouts and more practices. That's why steriods are rampant - to help recover from the workouts in order to fit more in. That's where the edge is gained. Either an athlete has the genetic code to conquer the intensity or they lack the code and eventually get crushed by it.

Why does Gilbert, Pouncey and Colon always get injured while Foster and Starks remain relatively injury free? Why are Wallace and Swaggin' continually absent from the injury report while guys like Sanders and Woodley present? It's not the S&C coach, it's some random genetic makeup present in each person. I've seen some of Ike-T's workouts on YouTube and they are pretty uninspired. Meanwhile, I've seen Giemont's off-season programs (courtesy of Steelers.com) and have seen guys getting after it. I think the S&C coach is a typical guinea pig in most cases of increased injuries. Most guys out there follow the same philosophy, and it seems the best ones work for the D-I Olympic programs due to job security, love of the position/University, and opportunity for continuing education.

Want to get rid of injuries? Draft guys who don't get injured. I'm not talking about the freak ACL tears that are bound to happen to everyone, but rather the soft-tissue strains that are always out there on the injury report (Woodley's hammies, for example).

 

I watched AB workout on you tube and I almost puked just WATCHING it! That dude is a work horse for sure. But when someone rolls up on your ankles I don't care who you are it's not gonna be good.

 

I agree, I have watched some of these players they in know way look to
be in shape or conditioned athletes. I bring up Woodley all the time and have for years.
I bet the Steelers wish they hadn't gave him the big money, he has not lived up to the hype
or the contract. Troy P is another one, greatest thing since sliced bread, well he does nothing
for us sitting on the bench. Add up his lost playing time due to injuries, HOF just doesn't
add up. If he gets in it is because of commercialism. His body of work is not great enough
to be in the HOF. Its like at your job, you have these hero's that can work like
a son of *****, the only problem is they call off all the time or they go on WC and are off the job.
No give me a guy that shows up for work everyday and does his job and I will go with him
all the time because I know he is going to show up and do a days work for a days pay.
These Prima donas got to go. I see Dwyer tapping out all the time, Give me a break! Haley is right
grow up young man and grow some balls.Ray Lewis will eat your lunch every day of the week.
Look at Ryan Clark, probably hits harder than anyone, you don't see him wanting to sit out.
there is a ball player.

 

Lack of conditioning will show its ugly head at the end of games too. Like at the beginning of this season and the team loses the lead at the end of the game and is dominated. There is no excuse for lack of conditioning at this level.
We had lots of problems under Cowher but conditioning wasn't one. I wonder what the scoring by quarter is and defensive yards allowed by quarter is over Tomlins time vs Cowhers. There may be math to support something there.

 

definitely not genetics with Woodley's hammies....he comes into camp a couple pounds heavy and slowly tries to work himself into shape. I don't think he does much off season running.

 

I agree with this. How many years have we had hamstring/calf injuries be a problem. That is a training problem.
T
he ankles and knee stuff is just luck or not luck.

 

i totally agree with this

 

Didn't Tomlin fire our conditioning coach when he came to town so he could bring in his own guy?

 

I'm not sure if he did that or not but I am sure that Troy said that Tomlin physically overworked people very bad in his first year and Tomlin said that he was probably too hard on them also. I think he just needs to find the happy medium ya know?

 

finally they saw it

 

Didn't have time to read through all this nonsense, but how many injuries to our player can be due to poor conditioning? I'll give you Troy's calf and Woodley's hamstring.How are rib injuries or Gilbert rolling somebody's ankle a conditioning problem?

 

Well, apparently Todd Haley and Keith Butler think there are some conditioning deficiencies on this team, and Butler's comment strongly implied that Woodley's hamstring issues may be a direct result of a lack of conditioning. We've discussed this on this MB a few times and we've even suggested that our OL seems to get worn down late in games which could be a conditioning issue. Not sure why you think it's nonsense to have some discussion about our conditioning program when there is ample evidence to suggest it may be lacking.

 

did you realize the defense and the offensive line come to shape around week 5

 

I'm not going to argue that if players are getting worn down is not a result of conditioning, but a lot of people here want to blame all the injuries on the triners. I would like to know what injuries they are responible for and I'll bet it's no more than most teams.

 

I've been questioning the S&C coach for a while now. Nobody is saying the freak injuries like getting your ankle rolled up on are a result of this. It's the poor performance at the end of games that's been a problem for a couple seasons now, it's the frequent repeat injuries, it's Dwyer having to pull himself out because he's gassed after a play or two. Two different coaches referenced conditioning in that article, yet people still want to say there's not an issue?

Here's my hope... next year it's Butler and Haley as the coordinators, and the combined weight of those two is enough to get Tomlin to evaluate the S&C program.

 

Not sure if its been mentioned yet but dont forget the new CBA rules on days of practice that are allowed with pads and no two adays and stuff like that which would have an impact on preparedness and overall conditioning

Bman

 

these guys are not around here 24-7. some workout on their own for most of the season. with their own trainers sometimes. the team trainer doesn't see them unless they come here to workout in the off-season. i have never cared for GG, but he's got a long resume'. the guts hanging over some of our linemens waists, should be handled by the coach though. every year we watch max blossom. colon really got sloppy looking. pouncey hasen't really put on much muscle since he came here. not that he's weak or fat but that should be happening. gilbert needs to get stronger. beachum needs upperbody work. DD could use some also. foster and legs could lose 10 lbs. each. adams need to turn some fat to muscle. this type of conditioning is lacking during the year. now max has never been known as a workout warrior. it would help all of these guys game. i'm not sure that old hard workout leader is here amongst this bunch. it's a mind set.

also to say max is not injury prone though. he's just come back from a knee injury. it's not the first time either. he's had shoulder and neck trouble too. i'm all for the youth movement, and mindset upgrade. if that means a change at S&C coach then so be it. hire ike's guy. wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? pay the man. wasen't courson doing stregnth stuff for us for awhile?

 

Agree, JackAttack. I have noticed all year the poor conditioning and strength of the Steelers. Remember the Denver game -- our guys were gassed.
No matter what anyone says about "accidents", good conditioning leads to fewer injuries.

 

Agree with b-man here and have been saying this since the new CBA. It is a joke that the NFL and NFLPA have not seen this. Not sure why it seems to be that the Steelers have suffered more than others, but maybe its because I watch them more than other teams. Or maybe it is because other teams just do a better jor at S&C than we do.

 

Not completely. The o-line knee and ankle injuries are partly due to conditioning and technique. If you're out of shape, or nursing a slight muscle pull, or using poor techniques, you get pushed backward...into...? The "roll over" injuries are common for the Steelers.