Tyrann Mathieu

He doesn’t care what anyone here thinks.

 

I'm guessing MVS in KC has a similiar year statically as Hill in Miami

It will be interesting to see how much more 30 mill a year gets you vs 10 a year

HACK

 

Tyreek Hill wasn't stopped this year? You're funny. He was stopped a hell of a lot more often than Cooper Kupp was stopped this past season. It's about impact? Kupp made more of an impact than Hill in every way in 2021. He dominated the regular season. He dominated in the playoffs. While Hill disappeared in the second half against the Bengals, Kupp took over on the game-winning drive.

Also, 2021 was the first time both guys had franchise quarterbacks. Kupp didn't just beat Hill by a little bit statistically. He blew Hill away. It wasn't close. More importantly, he was absolutely unstoppable at every key moment in the playoffs. Hill started fast against the Bengals, but disappeared when it mattered most.

Impact. lol

 

I’m guessing I’m some rando since I interjected myself into this conversation. Hill was contained in my estimation 111 for 1200+ is a heck of a yr no argument. But saying he is the most impactful wr in the game is outrageous in my opinion. He had 3 games over 150 without the Cle and Philly game being outliers he barely cracks 1k. Do you watch the KC games? He does a ton of work in the slot. I watched KC just as much as the Steelers this yr because of fantasy he’s in the slot plenty. The contract he got is not worth it in my opinion and even losing Hill the Chief’s got a ginormous hall. I’ll return to my hole in the sand and just get all my NFL news from you now that I’m am not worthy.

 

While I agree with You stats don't show it all.....I'm always saying that...., but How come when We argued earlier about H. Ward going 2 the HOF, and I said these same words....all You did was bring up stats.
I like You Kid, and I believe You are a bit knowledgeable about the game.....which I like, but You talk out of both sides of Your mouth. You can't have it both ways.
Same with Your Lamar arguments.

 

When I say it's not all about stats i don't mean that stats don't matter at all. They do matter but they aren't the end all be all. Like just because one guy had stats doesn't mean he's better than the next guy. Have to provide context to the whole situation.

 

Hill has made the pro bowl every yr of his career. He was balling before mahomes got to KC. His production of course elevated with mahomes but he was the threat he was prior to mahomes because you just get the ball in his hand and he does damage.

And like someone explained his impact stretches far beyond that off the stat sheet. He forces you to have a safety over the top every single play. Kupp does not do that. Can he beat you deep? Yes but you're more concerned about him in between thr numbers than going deep. Tyreek hill literally made every single team that played kc play single high safety. I didn't see very single team that play the rams say ok we gotta come with this specific scheme just to stop kupp. Tyreek opens up more for his offense of guys outside himself than kupp does. Hill being shutdown actually opened up more for other ppl.

 

nobody said edmunds is the best safety either, nor did they say mathieu was last year either. from the stats i quoted what exactly makes mathieu so much better? does it make him make more plays on the field? if it did, it would show in his stats wouldn't it? wouldn't it show how much better he is in some category? it should. player start to decline all the time and others improve. one starts high and moves down and one starts low and moves up, when their apexes meet, who's to say who's the better one at that point? their stats show a lot at that point. it shows production on the field. no, it is not the end all be all but it show's more then what some of you want to admit.

 

The context is that Hill had arguably the better skill players around him, including a dominant tight end. He also had the better quarterback. Despite all that, Kupp didn't just produce a little more. He blew him out of the water.

 

Now you want to talk about damage after getting the ball in a guy's hands? Great. Who led the NFL in yards after the catch this season? Yup. It was Cooper Kupp, and it wasn't close. He had 67 more yards than Deebo Samuel. Nobody else was within 200 yards of Kupp. Hill wasn't even in the top 20 in the NFL in YAC this season despite the Chiefs going to more underneath throws.

Hill has plenty of help opening things up. Hardman is another blazer. Kelce is on his way to the Hall of Fame. Oh, and he has Patrick Mahomes throwing to him. Those guys are also reasons why teams have to focus so much on defending the deep ball against the Chiefs.

 

2 QB's and a Kupp plus an extra regular season game and......

 

I agree with you regarding Hill. I do not understand what the Dolphins were thinking even without factoring in that Hill is a terrible person with a history of abusing and threatening the mothers of his children.

I've never brought up Kiper in that discussion of Edmunds. I've never said there is incontrovertible proof. I have provided multiple rankings that had Edmunds outside the top 60 players, including at least one that didn't even have him in the top 100.

 

Just find a future HOF SS in the 5th round that stays with the Steelers for 10 years, plays cheap, and be done with all this Edmunds, Mathieu nonsense.

 

Jaquon Brisker is the one I like at FS too, but there goes our 1st round pick, and we still need a top lineman!

 

That actually causes your numbers to go down. Not up. Having another weapon that's balling means he needs his targets too. What season was AB's worse in his 6 year stretch? The year juju put up his best yr. Kupp got all the targets while hill shares with Kelce. And kupp isn't the first wr to produce with Stafford. Megatron broke the single season yard record with him. So don't act like he just played with some scrub throwing him the ball. Stafford is better then he got credit for he was just stuck in Detroit.

 

Pittsburgh had the likes of Brian Flores, Jerry O and Grady Brown all on hand for Penn State's Pro Day today.






That said, according to Penn State's Pro Day, JaQuan improved his 40 time from a 4.5 flat to a 4.43. Supposedly his fastest was a 4.4 flat. Regardless, he is likely gone early day 2 anyhow. That said, Brandon Smith is not a bad consolation prize should he have been their target.


Dude is an athletic freak but is also in need of some serious tuning up. That said, he does have the capability to be a rock solid BUCK for the team should all go well with his development.

 

You don't worry about kelce beating you deep. You worry about kelce between the numbers. https://clutchpoints.com/bill-belic...tyreek-hill-as-a-key-to-the-patriots-victory/
Bill belichick was talking about here from the 2019 afc championship why he played over the top of hill before Mecole Hardman was in the nfl. So no not because of Mecole is why they do it. The bucs did such a good job at doing it so everyone followed suit. Gurantee they don't see nearly as many 2 deep safety looks next yr.

Over the last 5 seasons, Tyreek Hill has 26 Rec TD on passes thrown 20+ yards downfield. That's 10 more than the next-closest player (Mike Evans) and 4 more than the Dolphins have as an entire team in that time.

More than that, there’s the stuff that shows up on tape that reveals Hill’s value to the Chiefs beyond boilerplate stats. Last season, per Sports Info Solutions, Patrick Mahomes faced by fa the most dropbacks against two-deep coverage (389; Matthew Stafford was second with 311), and a primary reason is that if you present a single-high look to a receiver of Hill’s explosive tendencies all over the field, you are just begging for a house call. Hill irrevocably alters the geometry of his team’s passing game, and that’s a rare trait in any era. In this era, it’s more valuable than ever.

 

Unfortunately, the Michael Vick signing doesn't fit in with that statement, but I do get your point.

 

Hardman was part of why they do it this past season. Kelce also creates problems for the secondary, and he actually can get deep. I'm sorry you don't understand nearly as much about football as you think you do.

I swear you sound like the Derek Jeter is Captain Intangibles crew among Yankees fans. No matter what, they will abandon all logic and reason to try to support the idea that he was the greatest ever.

 

I never said kupp doesn't impact the game? I said he doesn't impact the game LIKE TYREEK. There's a difference.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-wide-receiver-rankings

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nf...eivers-plus-the-matthew-stafford-question-and



Guess they all know nothing.

I didn't misinterpret nothing. Article clearly stated the chiefs faced more shell coverage than any other team in the nfl and they attribute that to tyreek hill.

Also rice,moss, t.o, etc.. no one in history had as many yards as kupp except megatron just like ab didn't. You're point?

 

So you know more than the person who made this article?

More than that, there’s the stuff that shows up on tape that reveals Hill’s value to the Chiefs beyond boilerplate stats. Last season, per Sports Info Solutions, Patrick Mahomes faced by fa the most dropbacks against two-deep coverage (389; Matthew Stafford was second with 311), and a primary reason is that if you present a single-high look to a receiver of Hill’s explosive tendencies all over the field, you are just begging for a house call. Hill irrevocably alters the geometry of his team’s passing game, and that’s a rare trait in any era. In this era, it’s more valuable than ever.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/tyreek-hill-trade-dolphins-chiefs/

And tyreek hill didn't just become tyreek Hill last yr lol. Just showed how Bill belichick in 2019 before Hardman ever was in the nfl played two deep all game vs the chiefs due to TYREEK HILL.

Let's see if teams play two deep shell all next year because their scared Travis kelce is going to burn their secondary deep down the field next yr. Guarantee that number dramatically drops next yr.

Man said teams are fearful of kelce burning them deep LMAOOOOOOOO

 

Regarding the whole Tyrann Mathieu vs. Terrell Edmunds aspect, the NFL PA will have more info on signings as there is no info available for either. Either way, I would suspect that the Steelers are planning on drafting a Safety in this draft anyways. Which round is anyone's guess but I would imagine fairly early should they not elect to resign Terrell or acquire Tyrann by then.