Love him or hate him...He had some moments!

So what you're saying is all those Qbs are just unlucky. Bringing in a Qb(Ben) who has went to three SBs,and won 2 for comparison of Qbs that have won ....none...zero...zilch from that Question I asked....I found bizarre. That's why I stopped. I mean You said these so called duel threat qbs are harder 2 defend against, and I asked if that is so Why hasn't any Qb that rushed for over 550 yards ever won a SB that season, or Why hasn't the top 20 rushing Td leading Qbs in a season Won one, and I got.....Why hasn't Ben Won a SB in 13 years, or won a playoff game in 6....LoL.
I really couldn't make sense of it....so I just gave up.

 

He isn't entirely wrong, either. Jackson's limitations do seem to be exposed in the playoffs. They also seem to be exposed every time they play the Steelers.

 

I was never a huge Marino fan. I believe He was very good, but not like others do. I put Him as much 2 blame as anyone why He never Won a SB. It's not He didn't want 2 win a SB...it's He wanted 2 win one His way, reminds Me a lot of D. Brees (except Brees did win one), but is it not amazing that the only SB Brees went 2 is the least amount of attempts He threw for ...until His last 3 years in the league.
Again You are just bringing up names of Qbs. Doesn't answer my Question.
If so called duel Qbs are so dangerous why has none....key word none(not a specific Qb) never won a SB that has rushed for over 550 yard in that year, or led the league in rushing tds that year??

 

It's a 3 part answer. Dual threat QB's typically excel at one phase of their game and while they can do it, that second phase is not as polished. Cunningham, Vick, McNair all highly skilled at running and racking up the yards. Their teams work that into the game plan. Then you have pure passers that can sling it anywhere on the field but can also run if the need arises and make teams look foolish. Best example is Steve Young he could have 600 yards rushing a season but didn't need to. His team was stacked with talent so it wasn't that he had to shoulder the whole load and rush 80-120 yards a game.

Third and final reason is that for all the innovation we see in the league, year after year they also go conservative in the playoffs and the SB. So scrambling, being a dual threat and being difficult to play against gets them to the dance and then it becomes this is what wins championships. KC last year was forced out of Mahomes comfort zone and had a poor showing. If they played like the year before we could be talking about back 2 back championships.

 

You are welcome to your lack of doubt. What I saw in the AFC playoffs was dominant play by three quarterbacks who are all significantly better than Jackson.

 

Young was a great passer who could run, not a limited passer like Jackson. The same is true of Wilson.

 

I have a hard time putting SUPER BOWL WINS as the only thing that makes a good QB..or dangerous QB

It's really hard to win a SB
In the 56 years there has been a SB there are only 35 SB winning QBs

35.. that's it.... have there only been 35 good QBs out of the 1000s that have played at the pro level?

HACK

 

Ssshhhhh!!!

90% of the NFL media who are either too stupid or too lazy to dig into the many complexities of this most team oriented of all team sports will hunt you down and incinerate you on the spot for stating that, and thus pointing out how stupid and/or lazy they are.

"Ugh, ugh, quarterback no win Super Bowl... ugh, ugh, quarterback suck. Snort, mmm, print that... me work day done now... need go drunk now, ugh, uksch."

 

Neither won one with that much rushing. Steve Young had 290 something yards the season he won a SB as a starter.
R. Wilson had 539 ,and 1 td the season he won. So...

 

Still none won any from my Question. You can go back and look. Hell I'll just repeat it.
Name me any Qb that has won a SB that has rushed for over 550 that same season, or any top 20 Qbs for rushing tds in a season that's won one during that season.
Answer = 0
That should say something that even the Qbs that We know that take off ,and run... that have won a SB .....have done it on their least rushing years.

 

How I'm I moving it. That is the exact Question I asked before. Go back and look.

 

Yeah Qbs have nothing 2 do with it. So why worry about getting one????
Funny We've had many a great teams between Bradshaw, and Ben, but No SB wins between.

 

So let's not draft one ever high. Let's only wait till the 4th round. I'm mean Qbs don't win SBs. Correct???
Funny all those great....I mean great teams We had from Bradshaw- Ben ....Yet We only won SBs with them.
Though if You are correct. Let's just roll with what We got??? Why waste picks on Qbs???

 

Well it is. I asked days ago. Still same Question.

 

You sure that was meant to me? I have said many times that you need THE GUY.. I posted every QB drafted the last 20 years just to show how many FRANCHISE guys really exist and how many misses there are every year

I posted how in Bens 18 year career in the league it was Ben 3, Peyton 4, Mehomes 2 and Brady 7 With Flacco and Burrows each getting 1 6 AFC QBS in 18 years

To win it all I think you do need THE GUY to have a chance year in and out

But I don't think the ring is the tell all on if a QB was great or not.. ie Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkington, heck Rivers of Carson Palmer..... would you not take all of them over Joe Flacco or Trent Dilfer?

HACK

 

Sorry then. Wrong guy.
Yes I actually thought Flacco wasn't that bad.
Never thought much of Rivers, and think Marino is over Hyped like P. Manning. I also think Palmer was ruined by His injury. He was still good , but got super antsy if anyone got around his feet afterwards, and wasn't the same. Believe it was psychological.

 

@S.T.D

Just curious then. If you think Peyton and Marino are overrated who did you like?

I think both of them are 2 of the best to ever play the position. Not that that is an original take. But who are your guys?

HACK

 

The coaching staff didn't know how to coach him or what to do with him. Instead of designing an offense to his strengths they tried to plug him into what a prototypical NFL offense pocket passing quarterback. The coaching staff failed Stewart and that includes the beloved Cowher as well as the Rooneys.