Steelers Showing Early Interest in Liberty QB Malik Willis

Yes but thought you were making a comparison of TD’s to interception ratio, hard to throw interceptions on rushing TD’s lol.

 

I said 42 total TDs with zero turnovers. I don’t know how many fumbles Willis lost last season, but he, what 12 interceptions? 14? I don’t recall exactly.

 

Don’t know if he ruined it, but he certainly didn’t do anything to help himself. We couldn’t see the whole field on TV, so we really don’t know if he had any options downfield without throwing into good coverage. It would have been worse if he forced the ball and turned it over.

 

Your problem isn’t with Willis, its with running QB’s. You don’t want to see the league shift from football you grew up watching. For me, the game already doesn’t resemble what I grew up watching, so I can either shake my fist at the clouds or just accept that things change. Tom Brady told Jackson he’s next, he is the future. Like it or not, the league will feature more running QB’s than pocket passers some day. When that happens and there are more running QB’s to pocket passers, then it will actually mean something when/if there is a pocket passers still representing the SB as opposed to running QB’s.

The fact that you still do not recognize Allen as a very good QB proves this.

 

Running QBs who have to run to be effective, or mobile QBs who can run when needed? I think he’s advocating for the formula that works. How many true running QBs have won championships? Pretty sure the answer is zero. Yet we’ve seen some pretty middle of the pack pocket passers win titles, even a few recently. Foles, Flacco, an old, completely washed up Manning. The closest a team has come were Newton and Kaepernick winning NFC championships. It’s also not like the running QB is some kind of new innovation that has started with LJ. Remember Vince Young? His hero-ball college tape was light years ahead of what we’ve seen from Willis. Hell, he won an FBS championship (almost single handedly) with an effort that included a 200 yard, 3 TD rushing performance. He didn’t pan out despite being a great athlete, and great college QB. We all know about Cam Newton. He was going to change the game of football too, but didn’t. What has LJ really done outside of the regular season? Kaepernick entered the league like a lion, but was already going out like a lamb (having lost his starting role to Blaine Gabbert for several games) before becoming a controversial figure.

The league has had promising running QBs recently, and they have consistently been figured out by enough defenses to prevent them from having long term success. If you can’t see the whole field, find the open guy (mostly by understanding the coverage and anticipating who will be coming open), and consistently hit the open guy with accurate throws, you’re not going to be an NFL franchise QB. Period.

 

Really? You want to start a conversation about whether the media was only talking about Willis because he’s black, and you think that’s going to lead to a positive, non-political/racial discussion on the message board?

 

This is not the winning argument people think it is. As I said in my previous post, when there are more running QB’s than pocket passers and pocket passers are still representing the SB, then this narrative will actually mean something.

Right now there and throughout history there have been far more pocket passers than running QB’s, its not saying much pointing out SB’s have been dominated by pocket passers.

 

His physical ability is very high. I’m not at all in favor of drafting him, but the potential is there if he can learn how to actually play QB. His film doesn’t lie. There are huge flaws that point to him not being anywhere near a polished QB, but he makes some “wow” plays that most good QBs completely lack the physical talent to make. I remember similar discussions about Josh Allen and his potential drowning out discussion about more polished QBs entering the draft. It turned out that the people saying that his talent could be harnessed and polished were right in his case. Raw talent and upside vs. proven ability to play the QB position is a legit debate.

+ by the way, Josh Allen’s college passing stats were quite a bit worse than Willis’, and he didn’t face any SEC or ACC teams.

 

Ok… so now the argument that there aren’t enough running QBs compared to pocket QBs to draw conclusions comes up, but when comparing injuries suffered by running QBs vs pocket QBs the ratio of running QBs to pocket QBs is ignored.

 

I agree he’s worth a look, but he put those stats up in an offense that had him throw nearly 700 passes last year. It’s like the Texas Tech Air Raid offenses a few years back where BJ Symons, Kliff Kingsbury and Graham Harrell all had 5,000+ yard 45+ TD pass seasons. He looked OK yesterday, but ended the game with a very underthown deep ball to an open receiver that was intercepted.

 

Yeah thats the same, I pointed out that Jackson and Allen have run a ton, Allen hasn’t missed any games and Jackson 4 this year, an injury coming on a routine QB play.

 

Young ran for 4,239 yards in his career, four seasons with 400+ yards, one season with 500 yards.

Russel Wilson has run for 4689 yards, four seasons of 500+ yards, one season just shy of 500 yards and one season with 849 yards.

To put that in perspective, Ben is a scrambling QB, ran to avoid the rush and by time and had 1373 rushing yards.

Young and Wilson are absolutely running QB’s.

I don’t think Brady meant Jackson will win 7 SB’s, just that he is the future of the NFL. Tomlin isn’t the only one with the mobile rhetoric. You guys here fighting it might as well get used to it, the game has evolved from what we watched growing up and will continue to evolve.

By the way, Jackson was leading the league in every category early in the year before the team fell apart. I don’t want him to win a SB but he is going to. Allen will win one as well. The more the league shifts to that type of QB the more that will win SB’s.