Cowher vs Tomlin

I’m not necessarily a FMTI guy, but the fact that many people on this board and in sports media want to give Tomlin a pass for absolutely pathetic performances in which they get blown out and embarrassed in big games, including post season games, is perplexing and downright bizarre. He’s the HEAD COACH for crying out loud!

 

Why is Ben's Td run in that game never mentioned. Gave us the lead. Yet certain Qbs automatically next to their names is runs.
Never understood how Ben is considering worst Qb winning a SB
P. Manning 13- 23 141 yards 0 tds, 1 int, and 1 fumble. No tds what so ever.
Ben at least ran for a score.

Payton Manning in 4 SBs......3 tds, 5 ints, 2 fumbles.

 

His performance in the playoffs is the reason they were in the super bowl against Seattle. He made a few remarkable plays in both Super Bowls. In the Seattle game he had a deep pass and the WR was tackled at the 2 his ratings would have been a lot better if it went for a TD. Just because a team runs into the end zone doesn’t mean the QB had a bad day. He isn’t Tom Brady throwing 4 times from the one so his QB rating increases

 

His QB rating for 2005 postseason was 101 and the team produced 27 points per game. I would say he did very well and is very responsible for the rings

 

I've had this conversation with you before. Idk what quality of crack you keep smoking but you keep trying to sell to yourself and others this pipe dream that the Steelers had all these great teams since their last SB appearance and that fans should have had all these great expectations when in reality 2017 and 2018 were the only seasons on paper where the Steelers were a disappointment as far as playoff results. I could make a legitimate excuse that Shaziers injury was a big enough loss in 2017 that it turned there defense average which contributed to their demise certainly in 2017, but I wont.

Like I said you keep talking out your a** by ignoring FACTS as far as I'm concerned and
by placing way too much emphasis on playoff success which really means nothing at the end of the day. I hate to keep repeating myself but there are way too many examples in NFL history of teams that didnt have any playoff success the preceding year and subsequently ended up going to the SB the next year that talk of playoff ineptitude has no bearing on whether I feel like a coach (in this case Tomlin) is still capable of getting the team back to a SB. As long as the team isnt a dumpster fire, which it isnt, there's no need to get the impression this team has any less chance of making it to the SB then anyone else, but a lot of things still have to go right just like any other season. Your soul is tied to this team so of course you lose your mind...but anybody who pays attention to history understands it's more about patience then being able claim a couple of playoff wins season after season.

Team Offense Rank over the years (CORRECTED)...source PRO FOOTBALL REFERENCE
Points for ranking in ()

2021 #22 (22)
2020 #24 (12)
2019 #30 (27)
2018 #4 (8)
2017 #3 (8)
2016 #7 (11)
2015 #3 (5)
2014 #2 (7)
2013 #20 (17)
2012 #21 (22)
2011 #12 (22)
2010 #14 (12)
2009 #7 (12)
2008 #22 (20)
2007 #17 (9)

Team Defense Ranking- Source: Pro Football Reference. Points allowed ranking in ().

2007 - #1(2)
2008 - #1 (1)
2009 - #5 (13)
2010 - #2 (1)
2011 - #1 (1)
2012 - #1 (6)
2013 - #13 (14)
2014- #18 (18)
2015 - #12 (11)
2016 - #12 (10)
2017 - #5 (7)
2018 - #6 (17)
2019 - #5 (6)
2020 - #3 (3)
2021 - #26 (22)

 

I'm going to weigh in for the defense. XL and XLIII were mostly responsible to the defense.

The defense allowed 16 ppg in the 2005-06 playoffs. A lot of franchise QBs can score 17 points per game consistently to win with that defense.

Yes, Ben played well, but his role in the offense was strictly regulated in order to provide him with opportunities for big plays while minimizing his throws and turnovers with a running game. That said the Steelers don't win those Super Bowls without a franchise QB and Ben was our guy.

If you look at XLIII the Steelers had a 13 point lead going into the 4th. The defense blew the lead by playing mostly soft cover 2 in the 4th when they had been frustrating the Cardinals all night with other coverages. No idea why Lebeau would suddenly switch to a soft cover 2 defense like that. Usually Lebeau got burned playing cover 1 aggressively like the 2004 AFCCG. I put that on coaching.

Without Ben the Steelers don't win that Super Bowl for sure. Ben was clutch and clutch is hard to find. (That throw to get out of the end zone where Hartwig gave up the safety was clutch too.)

 

Except they didn't beat Green Bay, so they weren't a dynasty.

 

You can’t ignore what he did in the playoffs. As I said before if the bomb he threw end in the end zone instead of the 1 or 2. Then his rating is around 70 something. You sound like a Ben hater and if that’s the case you are an idiot and shouldn’t be on this forum

 

He's simply stating a fact which clearly you have an issue with. I usually separate playoff performances from SB performances and for playoffs Ben has been just fine. I think there's no argument there, but he does have a average QBR rating of 69.9 (as u yourself acknowledged) in SB appearances, and has the lowest QBR rating to date in a SB (at least for a winner), and more INTs then TDs for his career...usually if that were a person's overall stats you wouldn't expect the person to have one SB win, but I'm glad he has 2. You take em how you can get em (as long as u don't cheat in the process). No one said it had to be pretty and if a couple of clutch plays is the difference so be it.

 

Payton Manning in the SBs. 3 tds, 5ints ,and 2 fumbles. That's what He did in the SBs, and Some think He's the greatest ever. LoL. Hell He won SB MVP against Chicago with 1td, and 1int. I believe some have been a little biased towards Him

 

The HC of this team isn't an issue yet. The team had serious personnel deficiencies this year. The coaches cobbled together a bid for the post season with issues they had.

I am fine with people who think it's time to move on from Tomlin. I won't agree with those that think he is a terrible HC and leader of this team.

How about you take a look at the over all picture of the team?

Move onto someone else Tomlin hater. Your hate is well known.

 

So I need to be nice to you but you can be a jack ass to me. Oh know kicked off the form. Well I guess if you keep doing that you will be surrounded by people that agree with you. God forbid someone doesn’t have your opinion because they must be wrong. That sounds reasonable

 

S

Sometimes people get an interception because they throw a Hail Mary just before halftime which is not the same as throwing a pick in the middle of the third quarter. A lot of stats don’t tell the TRUTH.

 

So you goal post moving comment wasn’t meant to be insulting. Again in your head when you are the judge and jury you are always right. You must have a ton of friends. I am sure you have kicked people off the site before. Did you ever consider that someone would just get another email and password and be right back on the site in about 30 minutes. Just keep thinking your god.

 

I am sure Tom Brady would have made the tackle after the bus fumbled. Did that show up on Ben’s QB rating. How many of his interceptions were a tipped ball at the line of scrimmage or a Hail Mary before halftime or the WR had the ball bounce of his hands

 

Since his birth in 1982. Ben is the best thing that has happened for the Steelers. They would be stuck at 4 if Ben wasn’t on the team. If we get Eli or Rivers I doubt we win any (not that you can prove it). The Cowher years pretty much proved no matter how great the team it wasn’t going to happen without the QB

 

I do get the fact that Switzer is worse than Tomlin but the seifert comparison is far more ridiculous

 

Get off my lawn

 

To get on the site it takes an email address and a user name. I can get a new one of each in 5 minutes. However the user name would be different. Every person you kicked off is probably already back on here and you don’t know it or they just didn’t feel the need to be on the site and listen to all the nauseating Tomlin love

 

IP address and MAC address anyone?