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Tomlin never had a losing season

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Jack LHambert, Jan 16, 2022.

  1. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Normally I would be right there with you. But tonight I just can't. This team over-achieved. I will give Tomlin his due.
     
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  2. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    What about last year when we fell behind to the Cleveland Browns 28-0 in the first quarter? Why has that been a hallmark of Tomlin’s legacy? It’s almost like we have no idea what to expect from the competition until the game starts and then we try to figure it out as we go. Do we have no discipline in the film room? I’m seriously asking. I don’t think this needs to be ignored. We need to address that deficiency if we expect to improve. Not saying we do that with a new head coach but Rooney and the FO can’t stick their heads in the sand and expect it to get better.
     
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  3. Master Of Puppets

    Master Of Puppets Well-Known Member

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    going from a 12-4 season to 8-8-1 is over achieving ? so he failed up ? :shock:
     
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  4. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    The amount of people who mindlessly hate him is larger.
     
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  5. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    Last year when we fell behing the browns 28 - 0.
    First drive- 1 play, snap over head, fumble recovered in end zone.
    second drive- interception, 46 yard drive
    Third drive- 65 yards.
    fourth drive- interception, 15 yard drive.
    So yeah, a 28-0 hole giving up 120 yards of offense. Not Ben (or Pouncy) let's blame Tomlin.
     
  6. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    It's not worth trying to convince delusional people.
     
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  7. SpeedyMikeWallace

    SpeedyMikeWallace Well-Known Member

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    Exhibit A: the fool thinks it’s mindless hate.

    The truth: Tomlin has earned all the “hate” thrown at him
     
  8. Fe3CCity

    Fe3CCity Well-Known Member

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    Maybe I didn't go far enough but no one is going to quote this guy.

    I'll argue on the use of major but it's not wrong. There are holes and they need to be filled.
     
  9. Fe3CCity

    Fe3CCity Well-Known Member

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    Is this from last year or this year?
    2 OCs same HC and QB.

    Was is 7 possessions for like 100 yards 5 hours ago?
    I love Ben but the game has moved on.
     
  10. Formerscribe

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    Seriously, just stop. You and others keep pushing this idea that the offense made some change in the third quarter that should have happened earlier. What changed is the Chiefs slacked off a bit once they were up 28. That's it.

    Your argument about the punter is just ridiculous. I was wrong and Tomlin got that right. Harvin finally looked like the guy they thought they were drafting tonight. The one big return was not his fault. It was sloppy work by the coverage team.

    Roethlisberger repeatedly missed on throws down the field tonight. This offense plays that way because they can't protect the passer and because Roethlisberger could no longer consistently hit throws down the field.

    The Steelers were overmatched in talent tonight. We all knew that going in. You tried to make a game when his team was hopelessly overmatched into a referendum on Tomlin, which just shows your lack of interest in a genuine evaluation, and this is coming from a guy who called for him to be fired in 2018.
     
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  11. SpeedyMikeWallace

    SpeedyMikeWallace Well-Known Member

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    I love how unless the team is perfect personnel-wise, Tomlin cannot be blamed for anything. Like no coach ever has won without Pro Bowlers at each position. Or execution has nothing to do with the game plan, playcalling, play design, or in-game adjustments.

    Tomlin is mid, as the youth say. And we’re stuck with him because our owner sucks. And our GM is just a glorified head scout who’s at the mercy of a mediocre coach and lousy owner
     
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  12. Master Of Puppets

    Master Of Puppets Well-Known Member

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    thank God for hating the browns :bowdown:
     
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  13. Master Of Puppets

    Master Of Puppets Well-Known Member

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    no this beat down was expected...is that a good thing tho that it was expected ? :eek:
     
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  14. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Keep whacking away at that straw man and let us know when you want to actually have a genuine conversation.

    Tomlin certainly deserves some blame for the loss, but to make this one game against a far superior opponent the be-all and end-all game to evaluate him is a joke.
     
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  15. Fe3CCity

    Fe3CCity Well-Known Member

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    The fool or who follows the fool.

    I'll take 8-8 wth mason because I think that's what he has. Also, I think mason was a Tomlin pick, digest that for a second .
     
  16. Jack LHambert

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    We are just undisciplined. We definitely lack in the film study department under Tomlin. We run the same defense, over and over. Everything wide open over the middle. The dreaded third and long! Guess what? Teams convert on us alot on third and long. That's coaching!
    He should've been fired after the Tebow debacle! All those wasted years, when we had AB and Bell, we were unstoppable.
     
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  17. Brandon556211

    Brandon556211 Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin doesn’t win playoff games though. He’s gotta he what 4-10?
     
  18. FosterMorris

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    Steelers started no huddle in the 3rd.

    KC played majority man coverage in the 3rd.

    KC didn't play soft zone until the 4th.

    So yeah there was a change. The route depth increased also and the RPO decreased.

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    Harvin outkicked the coverage. That was a 48 yard return. How is that not on the punter? There wasn't a Steeler within 10 yards of Hardman when he fielded that low punt too far off the boundary. Go watch it again and tell me the gunners had a chance to do their job.

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    Yeah the OL is bad. That's not on the HC who hires the OL coach? Drafts the players with Colbert? From 2007-2013 and 2019-2021 the line has been bad. That's a lot of years. It's not new or remotely exclusive to 2021. The running game has never been worse than the past three seasons- when it was needed the most.
     
  19. FosterMorris

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    Weren't the Steelers far more talented than Tebow's Broncos? Bortles' Jaguars? Mayfield's Browns?

    Just keep moving the goal post. Marrone was HC in Jax 5 seasons and went 23-43 over that time... they were able to go into Pittsburgh and beat Tomlin's team. The Steelers aren't anywhere near that bad and can't go beat Andy Reid's team??
     
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  20. defva

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    Marty Schottenheimer of today
     
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  21. Ray D

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    I'm trying not to get too knee jerk.

    Yes, this game went almost exactly like my brain told me it would (my heart wished otherwise). So no. I'm not surprised by the outcome. And there's no shame losing to a team like the Chiefs. Losing in the fashion we did is another matter. THAT is downright embarrassing. Defense came out to play and tried hard for 1 1/2 quarters until the offense showed they had zero heart or effort at all. When the D got tired either physically or mentally from trying to continually push a rock uphill, the game snowballed out of control.

    We really didn't belong in the playoffs. This was nowhere close to being a playoff team. Yeah, we did enough to get there. But talent, scheme, and effort were lacking all season long.

    There's lots of fingers to point. And Tomlin has his fair share of them. But he's not alone by any means. Someone (multiple someones) need to be held accountable and set adrift. It's no secret I have little confidence in Tomlin to get us to another Championship. But we have a lot of other cancers to cut out too. Canada better not be on the payroll by 0830 tomorrow. Butler can see the door too.

    Not sure I have any hope for next year, or maybe the next several. A good off-season or 3 might get me there. But I'm not holding my breath. Worst is remembering the TWENTY years in between Bradshaw going off into the sunset and having a decent QB again. So many good teams held back by inadequate QB play. I don't have another 20 years to wait most likely. At least not good years past 20. I hope we don't have to wait that long.
     
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  22. DJ18Baller

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    Dark Days are coming for the Iron that is a certainty. Just have to hope it’s only a few years and not 10. Only hope we have is that mt finally has enough with a couple terrible years and leaves on his own accord.
     
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  23. Brandon556211

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    The Steelers are 3-8 in their last 11 playoff games. They are 0-4 and given up 171 points in their last four playoff games. They have not won a playoff game in five consecutive seasons - their longest stretch since 1967-71.


    Mike Tomlin began 5-1 in playoff games. He is now 3-8 in his last 11 playoffs games and has a losing record - 8-9 in the playoffs. He hasn't won a playoff game since 2016.
     
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  24. Wardismvp

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    I am not flipping out over this loss, but changes need to be made.
    Please Art II take the eye test and ask yourself are you seeing the type
    of football your Dad and Chuck Noll built? Several changes need to be made.
    A new energy needs to be found. Several coaches need to be gone. I know our talent
    level is not there, but can we find coaches and players that will be held accountable?
    We need to find coaches that will put our players in a position to succeed and be excited
    playing for the PGH STEELERS and football in general. I don't see this in our current staff or roster.
    There is a good core of players but not nearly enough to compete for championships.
     
  25. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    But that regular season record. And we just don’t have good players. And that regular season record.
     
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