Ben and AB

Brown's and Ben's stats actually prove that they were a more lethal combination than Rodgers / Adams. I think the comparable WR stats prove this. AB had better stats year in and year out. Not to mention the catches and plays he made...they were just more impressive. And again the stats do support this.

As for Ben "never" throwing as well and as consistent as Rodgers... that's just BS. The stats speak for themselves. Ben was a different kind of QB but he was every bit as good. He didn't get the MVP's and accolades Rodgers got for a few reasons... #1 his personality and off field issues. #2 Greenbay's offense show cased Aaron's passing. Most of Ben's career was in a conservative ball control offense. Ben could do things Aaron just could never do and I think the comebacks and game winning drives speak to this. Watch Ben breaking tackles and avoiding sacks and completing passes was something no other QB did as well as Ben. Rodgers can throw a prettier ball...he has more accuracy on his passes... but he did not have Ben's ability under pressure when all odds were against him.

Comparing stats of 2 of the better QB's to play the game...they both are VERY comparable. I think it's also fair to say Ben was underrated because I think most people do not understand the #'s Ben actually put up and he did it under more adverse situations IMO. Officiating alone .... think about the hits Ben was allowed to take. Guys like Rodgers and Brady were protected by officials ...this really is not debatable. Part of the reason Ben can no longer play now. The post season wins , comebacks, and game winning drives is really what puts Ben on a pedestal. The yards , %, etc are all pretty close. Closer than I think most people realize. I think it's funny that Ben has actually had 2 seasons w/ more yards passing than Rodgers best season.


BEN'S PRIME :
Year %. yrds. td. rating
2013: 64.2 4261 28 92
2014: 67.1 4952 32 103.3
2015: 68.0 3938 21. 94.5
2016: 64.4 3918 29. 95.4
2017: 64.2. 4251. 28. 93.4
2018: 67.0 5129. 34. 96.5

Career completion % 64.4
Career Yards/ Comp 11.8
40 Comebacks
52 game winning drives
13-9 post season record
2-1 SB appearances
164-81. wins/losses
67% winning %

AARON'S PRIME:
Year. %. yards. td. rating
2015 60.7. 3821. 31. 92.7
2016 65.7 4428. 40. 104.2
2017* started 7 games
2018 62.3. 4442. 25. 97.6
2019 62.0. 4002. 26. 95.4
2020 70.7. 4299. 48. 121.5
2021 68.6. 3977. 35. 111.1

Career completion %. 65.3
Career Yards / Comp. 11.9
18 comebacks
27 game winning drives
11-9 Post season record
1-0 SB appearances
139-65. wins/losses
68% winning %

 

I'd rather go 0-17.

 

everything you need to know about AB...he was an ass long before that hit.

 

Everyone knows AB was a total jerk his entire career. From what I read he's been a jerk his whole life. Going back to his teenage days he was a problem in school. He was a problem in college. The guy has always been a failure as a person. I think what has changed was his ability to keep it together. Since his last year or two with us, he's progressively become more volatile. He played 8 or 9 years with us before he ran his way out and during that time he turned him self into one of the best WR's to ever play the game. That takes some serious work and focus to achieve. I don't know how he did it but he went from a 6th round pick to a future HOF that could possibly break every record in the books. His ball skills were 2nd to none. He has since imploded and ruined his entire legacy as a player. I'm sure he'll be broke soon if he's not already. Yes he's always been a jerk but something has changed to make this bad person worse.

 

Should have thrown him in a closet with Debo every time he acted out haha.

 

Rodgers has more TD and fewer than half as many picks as Ben. It's what makes him so great- you get the reward without the risk. Rodgers is a top 5 QB all-time.

All arguments for Ben being better or as good will be a team stat.

 

Must not have overheard or it would have been "Merchandise is gonna get touched."

 

Didn’t Debo and AB do some kind of stupid Facebook live video deliberately during one of Tomlin‘s press conferences?

 

Maybe he was a 6th round pick because of behavior but had first round talent.

 

Not true. TD's and picks are not just QB accomplishments...that's also a team stat. The plays called, the offensive scheme, the WR's and Rb's, and the OLine all play a part in TD's and picks. Ben wasn't exactly throwing a ton of picks but yes Rodgers whole game is his efficiency. Sure Ben threw more than Rodgers but the style of play by the coaches, and the QB's all lead to those results.

GB did a better job protecting the ball than the steelers have. A lot of that has to do with the style differences... Aaron sits in a pocket and needs protection and will pick you apart. He's a precision passer that needs protection and precise route running from his WR's. Ben excelled under pressure and ran around and made something out of nothing...it lead to more Int's but it also lead to winning when we probably should not have.

Our passing game was also high risk vs GB which also lead to more INT's. Arians played a very aggressive high risk passing attack in pittsburgh. Ben's style also is what made him so amazing when the game was on the line. The come from behind wins and game winning drives were what made Ben elite. Aaron wasn't even close to Ben in that regard. Green Bay's offense was completely dependent on Rodgers scoring the TD's. The steelers offense was heavily dependent on the running game in the red zone. Tomlin and Cowher's style of play was very conservative in the redzone. Our passing attack used to be aggressive as any and risky...since we have gone to a conservative passing game the int's dropped off dramatically. The packers have always ran a high % low risk passing game that relied on scoring through the air in the redzone. I think both QB''s are among the best ever they just had very different styles and different coaches with different styles. They both did things the other could not do.

Game winning drives, come from behind victories, shinning under pressure...these are things Ben excelled at in his prime and it's the very reason he's not had a losing season and owns 2 SB rings. Rodgers is all about efficiency. The packers lose when he's not protected well and that was one of the big reasons he struggled in the post season. The packers excelled in the regular season in a terrible NFC north division . Post season play they were even worse than the steelers. We had to beat the Ravens defense 2 or 3 times per year. We had to deal with the patriots AFC dominance and cheating. The packers got the luxury of the Lions, Vikings, and Bears 6x a year.

 

Actually, the Colts have lost their last 6 in Jacksonville. Not so far fetched.

 

Good article about AB in today's Trib:

Mark Madden: Antonio Brown's latest implosion appears to be his final act in NFL | TribLIVE.com

I agree with all of it.

 

I agree, but he must not have held a grudge. I’m surprised you don’t remember when the did that video at the same time Tomlin was having his I believe year end press conference.

 

That's what I said

 

I can't say Winner enough 2 this.

 

Winning SBs matter. Hell getting there matters.

 

I believe Joey P did as well. I also believe Joey P. would have torn Abs head off if He heard it.

 

But according to someone here alot of ppl here cticized ben in the situation

 

Aaron is better than Ben but AB is better than adams.

 

So is Eli Manning equally as good as Ben? Eli has 2x Super Bowl MVPs. Does that give him a bump over Ben?

Eli Manning is better than Rodgers because he has more Super Bowl wins?

But if Rodgers wins another Super Bowl he can be as good as Ben? Like the day before the Super Bowl not as good but the day after yes?

 

Go ahead and punch yourself in the balls for that comment.

 

Again, I'm not arguing Brown vs. Adams. Prime Brown was better.

If you can't see that Rodgers was better than Roethlisberger and you are choosing to compare things such as team wins and losses rather than actual production, I can only suggest that you remove the fanboy glasses.