Ben's last home game?

The 80s and 90s are far different than now and the 2000s. I never compare stats of old guys to now. It's a different game.

 

He literally had the Ravens number 1 in the afc and leading the division until he got hurt and you keep saying he will continue to lose. Every team in the NFL has several years of film on lamar jackson now. Them not playing him all the time is irrelevant. Teams look at what other teams do that have given him problems and try to copy that. Some are successful and some aren't. Whi cares about his record in the division. Brady hasn't beat the saints in yet in the reg season? Think it matters in the grand scheme? No. And they still are in the wildcard as of now with him missing 2 games. That shows you where he had them prior to his injury.

 

You seem to have an axe to grind with Jackson. While he's not your typical QB, he's put up huge fantasy numbers. Obviously doesn't mean anything in the real world but it shows that to label the guy as terrible isn't really fair. I could have won my league if he stayed on the trend he was. He can be a top performer at times. But his days at that level may now be numbered.

 

I wasn't comparing Ben to anyone. I'm just saying that Ben hasn't been good enough in playoff games. But if you insist on comparing, Rodgers has 45 TD's to 13 INT's in 21 games. Ben has 34 TD's and 28 INT's in 22 games You may hate Rodgers, but surely you can see a huge difference there. Ben has almost thrown the same number of TD's and picks and he's thrown more than 1 INT per game.

Ben has only had 8 games out of 22 where he threw more TD's than INT's. Only 8 out of 22. That's a killer come playoff time.
Rodgers threw more TD's than INT's in 18 out of 21 games

Brady has 83 TD's to 38 INT's in 45 games
Brees has 37 TD's to 15 INT's in 18 games
Rodgers 45 TD's to 13 INT's in 21 games
Eli Manning has 18 TD's to 9 INT's in 12 games
Philip Rivers has 16 TD's to 10 INT's in 12 games
Joe Flacco has 25 Td's to 10 INT's in 15 games
Matt Ryan has 20 Td's and 7 INT's in 10 games

Comparing Ben to his peers, he's been the worst playoff performer by far. He just hasn't been good enough. He's literally the only one that has more than 1 INT per game. His TD to INT ratio is the worst by far. I'm not going to compare Ben to QB's from a different era, I will compare him to his peers, and he has hurt us more than he's helped us come playoff time.

I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

 

You compare How ever you like.
I didn't put up a bunch because as 7th all time in TD's in the playoffs all time.(you know how many Qbs have played in the NFL all time...a lot) there is not a lot.compare Him 2. You wasted a lot of typing just 2 say you don't like Him.
I like said before all Qbs are compare 2 all Qbs that have played until You , or others decide You don't want it 2 be.
Also what all You lovers of Rodgers hate 2 say is He has lead the league in throw aways. More than once.
You don't make any shots You don't take.
Been said He's more worried about His ints stats then winning, and why He only has 1 SB appearance.

 

I literally compared him to all the other elite QB's in the league during his era. I even threw in lesser QB's like Flacco, Eli and Matt Ryan. Ben is still the worst and it's not particularly close. Nothing in my post says I don't like him. My post uses numbers to show why we haven't had more playoff success, and a big reason for that is Ben's play.

I don't care about his career stats. His career stats don't help us win games come playoff time. it's his performances in individual games that help us win and he's been mediocre most of the time. The numbers prove it

 

No I have an axe 2 grind with running Qbs, and the every 20 year fascination with them.

 

You seem 2 go career stat with Rogers. How many SB appearances does he have???? Mister I have lead the league in throwaways . Can't make shots You don't take.

 

Considering the number of TD's that Rodgers throws, he takes plenty of shots. You are probably the only person on earth that thinks Ben is better than Rodgers.

As for SB's. It takes an entire team to accomplish that. For all his accolades, Brady has relied on his kicker and defence to help him win SB's. It takes more than just an elite QB. But if that elite QB doesn't play well, it makes it that much harder to win.

In his 3 SB appearances, Ben has 3 TD's and 5 INT's. He's barely over 200 yards per game for those 3 appearances

Do you honestly think that's good enough? How can you look at his numbers and think he's been good in the playoffs?

 

And this is Ben in a nutshell.

 

I never said Ben was better than Rodgers now.
I believe in their both prime... He was. Not now.
Another thing . You don't mention In one of those SB Ben was in his 2nd year playing. What was Rodgers doing in His 2nd Year???? Oh yeah riding the pine. LoL. It's stupid 2 compare Ben's 3 SBs with a Guy who's been in the league almost as long with only one appearance. It's numbers when you want it 2 be numbers,and Wins when you want it 2 be wins.
Just because what everyone else thinks means nothing. This world I'd full of sheeple, and Mob rule mentally is usually pretty low in IQ.
Rodgers is this eras Marino. Everyone's fault, but his.
Also He has led the league 3 years with throw aways. I've heard Packers fans say He's more worried about his TD- int stats than winning.
Do You know how short the list is in the History of the NFL for Qbs 2 be in 3, or more SBs? In the History....all Time(been a lot of Qbs playing football during that time)....come compare with Me when Rodgers just plays in another one.

 

No but

Are you saying Ben wasnt good in the playoffs? My memory isn't very good but I thought he played prty good in the playoffs leading up to the first 2 Super Bowls, .And in the SB against the Cardinals Ben should have been named MVP.

 

And that is You ....as just a nut. LoL.
Nobody will say that most of those bad stats came from a Qb that was the youngest Qb in a Sb.
Also Nobody will say how that Youngest Qb tore it up in the playoffs 2 get there. Believe Rodgers was still riding the pine during his 2nd year.

 

No, most of his bad stats don't come from when he was young, if you ignore his rookie year like I do. In fact, his younger years are his best stats. That playoff run in 2005 was the best playoff football he's ever played, minus the Superbowl. It's gone downhill from there.
During our 2008 run he was careful with the ball. Didn't really turn it over but also didn't do a whole lot to put points on the board. He was a game manager at that point and a fine one. He did make one hell of a drive at the end of the game in that SB though.

After the 2008 run he's gone 5-7 with 19 TD's and 16 INT's in 12 games.

I would argue that Ben was better when he was younger. He was more of a game manager, but he didn't hurt us as often with INT's. Once his gun slinging mentality set in, he began to throw more picks and lose more games.

 

I was quoting the SB stats. That what I commented on.

 

Ben said more in the past about not playing than he has this year. Remember why we drafted MR. Is there any Link to him saying something, anything regarding this being his last year? I am not predicting he is staying but I am also not counting on what sources say about anything. JMO>

 

I just hope for player introductions. The whole team comes out, and the team just lets #7 have his own moment for the entire introduction.

Or just let him go out like the did for the Bus in Super Bowl XL

 

Love Ben and he’s been a great quarterback for us, but Shaner is absolutely correct that he’s underperformed in the post season for the most part, especially in Super Bowls. The stats below are what makes Terry Bradshaw the greatest Steelers quarterback ever…

 

You are disregarding all his play actually getting to the Superbowl. We would to have loved to have Ben instead of Kordell during Bettis' prime years, and all the average QBs of the 90s we had.

Also, you know who has a ho-hum stat sheet in Superbowls? Troy Polamalu ... It isn't all about stats.

 

Its pretty easy for me. How many super bowl rings have Rodgers? How many Rivers, how many Deew Brees? End of conversation...
Have fun looking forward to the next chapter. Spoiler alerts: it will be a very hard decade. QB like Big Bens just comes once maybe twice a decade. And the next one dont have to arrive in pittsburgh

 

No, I’m not disregarding his play getting us to Super Bowls. In Ben’s first SB against the Seahawks he had the lowest QBR of any winning SB QB ever but he played lights out in the playoffs to get us there. I acknowledge that. But the fact is he stunk up the joint once he got there and was mediocre in his other two Super Bowls save for one spectacular drive in which Santonio Holmes helped tremendously with a long RAC and unbelievable catch (of a spectacular throw) in the corner of the end zone. But the fact remains that Bradshaw came up big in the big game every single time he had to and he wasn’t dinking and dunking, he was rifling the ball 50 yards downfield on a rope to Swann and Stallworth at critical times in the game when the outcome was still very much on the line. Terry>Ben.

 

As a player.


Saw something about Tomlin saying he wouldn’t be opposed to handing the Offensive Coordinator keys to Ben.

 

Ben is OK, but he's no Baker Mayfield! Lol






Seriously though, I'm old enough to have watched Bradshaw through the glory years, and I'd take him over Ben any day.

 

Agree that the next decade will be ugly; disagree that Roethlisberger is better than Rodgers.

Fun fact: when Rodgers won the Super Bowl he had the #1 defense.

When Brees won the Super Bowl his defense allowed 19.6 ppg over the playoffs

When Peyton won his defenses allowed 16.2 ppg and 14.7 ppg.


It's almost like defense wins championships. Ben had great, great defenses. I would take Ben over Manning and Brees though.