We're spoiled

I see the Lions at the top yet again. The Lions are a good example that having high draft picks ain't all it's cracked up to be. The Steelers during the Ben years didn't have high draft picks but did a hell of a lot better then the Lions.

 

and how many coach/gm combos have they had in that time period?

 

I'm not mad. I have seen the best and worst for our Steelers. It was bound to happen. A decade of no significant playoff success.

The bengals have something going on, a solid coach, a young franchise QB. All our other North rivals have the same. Though it looks like Mayfield might be spitting the bit. But the constant is a young franchise QB. We don't have that. It's time.

Personally I would rather see a better draft position. This team is weak. They can't bring Ben back.

 

I think most of us would accept losing out at this point to force some changes and hopefully bring about a much needed talent injection through a high draft placing.

They need a couple of stellar drafts and some shrewd FA signings, there are big question marks at nearly all the premium / expensive positions, most notably QB

 

Or pick up a FA QB somewhere

 

But is it worse? We had arguably the best WR and RB in football. We have one of the best defenders in football. We've had lots of other talented pieces, including a franchise QB. Despite that, we've had almost no playoff success since 2010. So I wouldn't say it's worse to be a Seahawks fan just because they lost their starting QB for a few weeks and appear to be having a down year.

 

I disagree with the whole premise of this thread. With good planning and good management, it's not necessary to lose for long stretches in order to rebuild. The good teams constantly retool on the fly.

Look at what NE has done. They drafted late for 20 years and regularly cut or traded starters, but they didn't miss a beat. They lost their HOF QB and their HOF TE, who was also their best receiver, and they only had one down year before returning to the top of their division. Belichek is sheltering Mac Jones and as a result, he's been very successful.

We throw our backup QB out there against a horrible run D and in bad weather and ask him to throw it 40+ times. Does nobody else see the problem with that strategy and with the culture of our team?

With good management and good coaching, long periods at the bottom of the standings aren't necessary. High draft picks alone don't mean squat. Look at teams like Jax, Detroit, the Jets, etc. High picks have done nothing for them. They don't have winning cultures on those teams. We used to, but it's fading. Top talent on our team has overcome poor management and horrific coaching, but that's fading too.

Tomlin has to go. I would get rid of Colbert too. We need fresh ideas. We need accountability. Veterans shouldn't get to do whatever they want. Poor play shouldn't be excused for 12 straight weeks (I'm looking at you Bush).

 

This, The browns , lions, dolphins, and others are why I don't want 2 lose for draft picks. Because Losing becomes a way of Life for teams. Always looking for picks next year, next year, next year...instead of worrying about today.

 

Your didn’t hear about it as much because there was no social media. However, the playing down to opponents, not putting teams away was a staple of the Cowher era.

When it comes to success rates, the numbers don’t lie and feelings do not matter. A few percentage points over a career is negligible, especially since he doesn’t challenge as much as most.

 

I swear to god some of y’all will be on your deathbeds whining about the patriots. How many playoff games have the patriots won without Brady and gronk? They finally had a losing season and picked in the top half of the draft. Additionally they were quite active in free agency.

 

cowher loses to 3 expansion teams and fans have amnesia. Cowher gives up two to a team that won 3 games all year and more amnesia.

 

I agree with much of what you just wrote above. I don’t search and apply stats barely ever, just not my thing. I’ve been watching football and especially the Steelers for decades as a dedicated fan that is sick with love for the team and FEEL very comfortable with my take and perspective.

I def don’t believe I whine, but more accurately call it as I see it frankly, both good and bad.

And not sure why you got so angry, as in this instance wasn’t trying to beef with you. Maybe my tone read differently than I intended, but I don’t see it that way. I was simply saying I just wrote about the topic just above. But go ahead dislike me and my commentary all you wish; I’m not affected by that at all. Carry on…

 

i hope they REALLY fall apart, we need a BRAND new start.

 

ownership IS the problem. Blinded and content with mediocrity.

We suck, we will for a while....

 

But was it for a large chunk of seasons and a long trend or just during some re-tooling seasons?

I mostly remember “Martyball” super safe game plans more than it being a ingrained trait.

 

I have an issue with your post because they are clearly personal, as you have essentially admitted, and much of the things you wrote cant be substantiated with fact. Anytime a person constantly uses the terms "ALWAYS" its indicative of someone who exaggerates and has issues with rationale when presenting a argument/point and who will say almost anything to make a person look much worse then they actually are....usually to get there way. It reminds me of a Karen to be quite frank. You get where I'm coming from now??

 

I'm not whining about the Pats, I'm using them as an example. I also used the Jets and Lions as an example.

Just saying, we don't need to lose for numerous years to have a good team again. If it was that simple, the Jets and Lions would be good teams.

With good management, it's not necessary to do a complete rebuild

 

They aren't trying to lose, they're just bad organizations who cycle through coaches/GMs too often.

 

If you can pick up a good free agent QB (i.e. Stafford) rather than draft one you might be right. But if you have to draft one theres going to have to have to be a really down year typically to do that. Which is what happened to the Patriots. That's why I dont understand those that are piling it on Tomlin this year to be fired if you actually believe what you just posted.
We already knew the team was going to be bad. Why when the team performs as was expected is everybody then calling for his head?? It seems backwards to me. So yeah...it does look like a lot of you are whining and being irrational...especially considering injuries and Covid issues.

 

happened all the time. Someone on Reddit actually did the work and went back through game by game. Cowher was actually worse at “playing down to the competition”.

 

The jets, lions, browns etc are exactly what y’all want to become. Fire everyone! That’s how you end up like the jets, lions, browns.

 

So you are telling me that in that post where I absolutely stressed “always” (even the one where I said “the last ten years” and not his full term when fans grated him a far more open mind, especially after he won the SB) are statements that are off base or not close to facts?

Thinking of the general fan base of course and not saying EVERY fan. I don’t speak in absolutes no matter how bad you seem to try and mischaracterize me.

 

You used "Always" in four subsequent paragraphs yet you dont speak in absolutes?? It doesnt matter that you stressed the last 10 years....All those statements were 100% false. I dont know what the argument is here??

 

Well, I wouldn’t fight back against that too much. I’m believing it, especially if someone did a bunch of statistical leg work to illustrate it. I’d like to read that post, sounds interesting.
I gotta say, I really loved Cower so much of the time during his tenure, but I also gotta say I was also glad to see the franchise go in a new direction when he left. Especially after his abysmal final season where I FELT like he kinda phoned it in after his Championship.