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For those fans that wanted Ben to be benched and start Mason

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Yikes, if Ben plays they win against the Lions IMO. Mason missed too many easy throws, the slant to DJ near the end of the game :facepalm:.
     
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  2. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Ben plays and the Steelers win. There is no doubt in my mind.
     
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  3. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    We've all seen the Steelers lose games like this with Ben playing - think the point is they have a real need at QB.
     
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  4. Brice

    Brice Well-Known Member

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    I've been waiting all year to see Matt Canada's offense run by Mason Rudolph and this is what I get!!!!

    I have ben blaming the lack of success of Canada's offense this year squarely on Ben's shoulders and this game proved me entirely wrong.

    If this is as good as Mason and Canada can do against the worst team in the NFL I want out of this nightmare. Not only do I want a new QB for next year, but can we also get a new Offensive Coordinator?
     
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  5. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    It's impossible to prove they would have won had Ben played today. I do know I have seen Ben have games worse than Rudolph did today against teams that weren't any better than the Lions.
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Can I get a Amen.
    Sadly I wanted Mason 2 do Well. I didn't want 2 have 2 draft a Qb .
    I bet Ben is sitting back thinking.....Yeah Blame it all on Me.
    If only Ben wasn't in there they could run Canada's real offense, would run under center more, throw 2 the middle of the field more, and it would open everything up more......My A$$, and it was against the worse passing D in the league.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You are correct...We do not know for sure, but I have never seen Ben play against the worst passing D in the league, and Have 1 Td, and 1 int.....not in memory...You maybe able 2 prove Me wrong, but it's not coming 2 mind.
     
  8. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    My takeaway from today is this team just isn't anything special even with Ben behind center. They have a few really good players, some decent ones and some starters that would be second or third stringers if we are all being honest. The team plays hard, just not always smart. They never quit on Tomlin, but some of these guys despite hope, like Edmunds, Bush and Snell are likely as good as they are ever going to be and frankly, they just aren't good enough to play championship caliber football. This is a 9-7-1, 8-8-1, 7-9-1 team that might stumble in to the playoffs because the AFC is a free for all this year. If they do, they'll likely get bounced out in a first round humiliation similar to last year. Do I hope for a better fate? Absolutely, it's why I watch every week. But I'm nothing if not a realist. This team needs re tooled from the bottom up. And although I'm neither a Tomlin apologist or hater, I wouldn't mind this team moving in another direction.
     
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  9. JPP

    JPP Well-Known Member

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    Perfectly said.
     
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  10. The Sodfather

    The Sodfather Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the Raiders had the worst passing defense in the league then, but the Terrell Pryor 98 yard TD run game comes to mind. If I'm remembering right, Ben was dreadful in that game and that was ten years ago. Although, to be fair, I think he was coming off an injury.
     
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  11. Steelrules

    Steelrules Well-Known Member

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    Today’s game plan appears like it was dumbed down for Rudolph. Apparently not dumb enough
     
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  12. HeinzMustard

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    Andrew Luck. Maybe he stayed in shape? Maybe he would like to play QB for Steelers in 2022. Good RB, potentially good Oline and decent D.

    Andrew Luck. The only hope. Steelers can't afford Rodgers or Wilson.
     
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  13. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    If Ben plays we probably have the same outcome. Let's not act like Ben doesn't miss passes too Lol.
     
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  14. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I like that. Idea.
     
  15. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    I'm hoping for Wilson.

    Give him whatever he wants lol
     
  16. SteelReal

    SteelReal Well-Known Member

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    I like that idea too....but the thing is. I think he would still be under contract to Indy or they would at least have the rights to him.....
     
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  17. shaner82

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    Today didn't prove anything. The sample size is simply too small. Mason doesn't get 1st team snaps in practice. Plays aren't designed/adapted with his strengths and weaknesses in mind. You think Canada was going to change things up for this 1 game? Of course not, he's going to have the exact same system and calls as he would if Ben was in the game. That's what the team is used to at this point.

    Rudolph left a lot to be desired, but it's too small a sample size to conclude much of anything. Josh Allen was known for having accuracy problems early in his career. Do I think Rudolph will ever be Josh Allen? Of course not. Chances are Rudolph is a career backup. But we won't know that until we see the team commit to him as the starter (if that happens, which it might not). We also won't know exactly what we have in Canada until Ben is gone. Then we'll see him utilizing his system exactly as he sees fit. A young QB won't dictate to him what plays to run
     
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  18. thorn058

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    I don't want Ben benched in favor of Rudolph. What I do want is that when Ben is out have him be out and get a full week's practice with Rudolph. In this game the Steelers most veteran receiver is out for the season, their biggest mismatch at receiver was out with a game time decision. Their best route running receiver was played In a less than optimal position.. Throughout the course of the game they lost two starting guards. Then just some strange play calling. Watt makes a play on offense then disappeared, Muth disappeared as did Ebron and Gentry. Harris was effective to start but oline issues quickly stymied him. Rudolph isn't creative enough to create plays on the fly. That McCloud was the top receiver says more about the Lions taking things away than it does about Rudolph and the rest of the offense. Just wasn't a formula for dominating football.
     
  19. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    What?? Mason practices with the 1st team more than Ben does. Who do You think takes all the 1st reps when Ben has his weekly Vet days, and Limited practice days every week...Tomlin???
     
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  20. KMM

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    Well, I'm still not sure what to say about Canada's offense. Not sure that either Ben or MR are capable.

    Even if that's true, however, a really good coach does what he needs to to make sure to get the most out of what he's got. The scary part is if Canada is doing exactly that and this is as good as it gets. You can only squeeze a lemon so hard. Eventually there's no more juice to be had.

    That leaves only a few untasty possible conclusions:

    a) Our OC is so bad it doesn't matter who we have on the offensive side of the ball, including QB. We need a new OC.
    b) Our overall offensive talent, including at QB, is so bad, it doesn't matter who we have at OC. We need an infusion of talent.
    c) Both are bad and we need a complete and total retool.
     
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  21. thorn058

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    From what I can gather in the last few years during the week practices are very vanilla. They aren't targeted they are cleaning up execution errors and focusing on skill development. So whether or not Rudolph gets 1st team snaps in practice doesn't matter because it is just vanilla plays not designed for a weekly opponent.
     
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  22. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Well then why does everyone complain Ben doesn't do those practices???
     
  23. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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  24. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    :shrug: No squirrels to yell at? I have no idea why other than it can strain team chemistry if guys look at as Ben played horrible and gets a day off and a ping pong table. I play great mistake free football and I have to be here a 6 am working.
     
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  25. HeinzMustard

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    Roethlisberger sucks. He is a shell of his former self. QB is stagnant. Rudolph and Haskins will provide same results. Obviously.
     
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