TJ Holdout?

That would only work if we traded him to someone with two first round picks

 

Neither one of them are captain worthy in my opinion. One guy won’t practice and the other guy is telling fellow players to stay away from OTA’s

 

Seriously doubt anybody would give up that kind of haul for TJ. I know the Raiders got an incredible deal for Mack but that was a bad piece of business on Chicagos part IMO and we can’t just assume there is a team out there that’d do the same in TJ’s case.

Giving up multiple first round picks for a player you subsequently have to pay market leading money to is bad process. You could possibly justify it for an elite QB in their prime years but that’s about it.

 

the Steelers don’t pay high guarantees. That’s just their old school way of doing business.

 

How? They have no Ammo ( draft capital )

 

I doubt the Tag goes away. It serves a good function for both sides. The owners want it so another team can’t just go and poach your best player. In any given year more than 98% of the players aren’t affected. They aren’t giving up anything to get rid of the tag.

 

that’s far more rare than the latter. Most guys that retire are no longer under contract.

 

it gives the teams leeway to not pay their best players and also prohibits best players from going elsewhere that is willing to pay them. Pittsburgh would probably have a different attitude if they couldn’t tag tj the end of this yr.

 

They guaranteed most of Joe Hadens last deal until the final year so that’s not entirely correct. They also gave Cam a lot of guaranteed money last year. Their approach has softened considerably.

TJ’s deal is in a whole other league however, and I virtually guarantee you it is causing them an issue beyond clinging to an outdated player contract model.

 

According to the tweet you posted it is guaranteed money that is holding things up.

 

TJ not practicing this whole time, I don't want him jumping out there in a game cold. He is going to get hurt.

 

No, it does not. Tagged players are paid very well.

Also, you can only tag one. It’s player, not players.

You are looking at one player. The rest of the players and the owners have to do what is in the best interests of the league as a whole.

 

Yeah for 1 year. Nfl players as you see are not concerned with one year. Their main goal is securing long term money which is why guys holdout to get it.The NFL of any pro sports averages the shortest career. Look at how fast you can rise and fall. Todd Gurley, leveon, cam, etc.. you could be the best in the league 1 day and out the next. So it's best to secure your bag upfront.

They gave the owners that because they caved. I was watching the I am a athlete podcast the other day and Andre Johnson spoke about how plenty of guys can't survive when the checks aren't coming in. So they caved to the owners demands during the last holdout just so they can get back to playing football and keep up whatever lifestyles they live. They probably won't have the courage to put their foot down next negotiation to get rid of the tag.

And I said players because I'm talking about the players as a whole around the league that get tagged. Only player it doesn't really effect as much is qb and that's because the market, how their paid, and how their judged is vastly different than any other position. They could get money off a bad injury. Look at dak. If he was a rb he'd be making the minimum right now all because a team tagged him that didn't want to pay him long term money and inhibited his ability to get long term money from other suitors.

 

I mean Joe haden contract isn't that big and it was a 2 year deal at that. Not like giving 50-60 plus million up front the moment you sign like most of the top guys get now. They do what they did with Heyward all the time. Restructure your contract to give you some up front money in a year. But not up front the moment you sign. That's the money I'm talking about. Makes Garrett for example got 50 million the moment he signed his deal no matter what. That's what Pittsburgh won't do. Give guys huge bucks up front the moment they sign a deal. I remember AB only got like 10 million full gurnateed on his also deal when guys like odell and Hopkins got 40+ million guaranteed at signing.

 

Good point. And with the salary cap going up next year, 27 million a year is going to be around 7 to 8% of it. I myself need to consider the % of the salary cap, instead of getting sticker shock at the per year amount.

 

Chicago won that deal imo. The raiders haven't gotten anything close to the impact of mack.

 

I think it would be different with Colbert, who I believe is the best GM in Football, Popcorn has been the problem...

Colbert has given Popcorn boatloads of talent over the years, And Popcorn has talked all tough, and **** the bed...

You give Colbert 3 1sts next year...This team would be set ( but albeit, still with Popcorn as HC )

 

Which is what fully guaranteed is stated in for.

 

They just need to pay him. There's no logical reason it hasn't happened yet. I don't care about anything else. Pay him big, now.

 

Termination is a contract provision. Teams ARE adhering to contract terms when cutting players.

 

Nah ..You can't just pay him "whatever"...There has to be a limit

 

Andrew luck anyone????

 

That’s because they wasted on the picks through bad drafting. Either way I’m not sure you’d get a similar deal now

 

I know all about how they do contracts, my point is that there is a financial reason they have done business that way, and I believe it is playing in to the TJ saga. It is much easier to pay players year to year from current revenue rather than having tens of millions locked away in escrow for years on end.

Cam and Joe did get more guarantees than they would have typically offered in the past, while they did restructure Cam as soon as they could he got a lot of guaranteed money given his age.

They are going to have to change things up if they want to keep their stars happy. The balance of power is shifting to the players with each passing year.