Some fans think the Steelers underachieved with Ben and Tomlin

He also a very productive player in college .

 

Green Bay was the favorite in that game though.

 

Why did he fall to the late 3rd round? Obviously there were question marks.

 

Good point, I often forget that, and Tomlin is only 1-4 as a playoff underdog. Over before it started, basically.

 

I own the game . The player came underneath and picked it off. The ball didn't even make it 2 the Wr or the Cb covering Him because Ben got knocked back as He threw it. Had He not gotten hit(I'm not saying it would have been completed , but at least the Ball would have gotten there) the 2nd DB would never got over in time .....that's why he was able 2 get the pass that died in the air 7 yards short of the Wr, and CB . Not trying 2 argue.

 

And we still lose to the Pats in the playoffs so in the end didn't much matter. And don't say that time would have been different.

 

Maybe, but in 2017 they hung with the Pats and didn't get blown out, if they got a rematch they would've had a good chance of beating them IMO.

 

In the regular season, that was the only time we could ever beat them. In the post season they crushed us every time. That would have been no different. Especially considered we couldn't even beat the Jagoffs when it mattered.

 

Jacksonville was a bad matchup for them, they beat the Steelers earlier that season when Ben threw 5 ints , I would have liked their chances against New England in a shootout at home.

 

Don't forget the brain fart by Seattle, throwing the ball from the two with Beast Mode in the backfield.

 

2nd and goal from the 1. You have a battering ram in the backfield who already gashed them for 104. You throw a pass. Picked off. Dumbest play call. Ever. The finger pointing was laughable with minimal blame put on Wilson. Teammates as well as the anyone watching thought that Lynch was getting the rock.

Lynch scores there and he gets the MVP. I feel they wanted Wilson to ride out on the white horse and win the MVP. He rode out on a jack@ss instead.

What really sucks is that NE won another Lombardi.

 

I am not even sure where to begin. To say that Tomlin and Ben have underachieved together is a pretty big understatement. Since we are talking about 45, I will start there.

2010) The Pittsburgh Steelers reach the Super Bowl. After the AFCCG that year, was the first time we all saw a complacent Tomlin. Tomlin gave several interviews saying he was telling the guys to enjoy the ride....enjoy the journey this time around. I remember Casey Hampton tackling Tomlin and laying on him during the team photo. How about all the guys hitting up a Dallas strip club a few days prior to the game. How about a relaxed as ever Hines Ward sporting a cowboy had in interviews. Some of you will brush this off. But this is the first time I can remember a Tomlin team appearing over-confident. Something that has been an ongoing occurrence ever since. There is no sugar coating it. Big Ben played like hot garbage to start that game. The Steelers dug a hole. Big Ben dug them out like he always does, but the Mendenhall fumble sealed the deal. Aaron Rodgers, was, and is, a beast. But that Steelers team had a LEGENDARY defense with Pro Bowl caliber guys at almost every position. They were by no means over matched. 45 was a very winnable game. The Packers didn't win because they were the better team. The teams were pretty evenly matched IMO. The Packers won the game because they made less mistakes and wanted it more.

2014) Mike Tomlin decides to only roster 3 running backs. This normally would have been fine, however one of those backs was Dri Archer. Archer was clearly not an NFL running back. The situation was brought up over and over by the media throughout the season. In typical Tomlin fashion he snubbed conventional wisdom and never addressed the problem. Bell gets hurt before the playoffs and the Steelers are left scrambling around to find a running back. Ben Tate starts the game, and the one dimensional Steelers get beat by the hated Ravens. Another good Steelers team wasted.

2017) This team had all the makings of a Super Bowl Champion. The Jags game was full of coaching gaffs, poor clock management, and breakdowns on both sides of the ball. this was the Steelers best chance to win it all since 2010. Another good Steeler team wasted.

2018) The team was rolling before implosion. Tomlin never got AB in check. The team faded down the stretch and missed the playoffs.

2019) No Ben. Tomlin deserves credit for keeping them competitive. Thats where the credit stops as the team again falls apart down the stretch and misses the post season.

2020) 11-0!!!!! The team finishes 12-4 and gets embarrassed in the playoffs at home by a decimated Browns team.

These are just a few.

 

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.

I was going to post the youtube of the play. But honestly, do any of us really want to watch that play?

That entire game is tough for me to rewatch.

 

It is difficult to watch, because the turnovers cost us the game. Take one of the away and we probably win.

 

Then you're living in fantasy land idk what else to tell you. I'm not gonna bother to post them, but go look at every single post season game we've ever played against them in the past and look at the point margins we lost by. Beating them in the regular season has always been irrelevant.

 

Which brings up another question.

Do the Steelers make the SB in 2008 (With Brady) & 2010 if they faced New England in the postseason?

Let's be honest. We caught a huge break when Brady went down in 2008. And I honestly don't think we would've beaten them in 2010. They kicked our arse at Heinz months prior.

 

I like 2 think any game we don't play....We would have Won. LoL.

 

Some say Steelers teams were overconfident with Tomlin starting in 2010. I'll never forget Tomlin talking about NE before the Jags playoff game. That was a sign that the team was looking ahead.

To me, the Steelers were overconfident in the Cowher era too. Anyone remember the story of the Steelers packing their bags and getting ready for New Orleans before the Pats game at home? Yeah...didn't turn out good.

 

Overconfidence is a human flawed trait. No matter which coach it is, every coach has been arrogant at one point or another. The greatest example of arrogance within the 21st Century was Bill Belichick's decision not to practice a Wednesday before Super Bowl XLII as Belichick thought the team was good enough to defeat a Giants team they had beaten before. How wrong he was; a tremendous stain on his legacy whether that is accepted or not.



Bill did this again against the Giants again in 2011 where he allowed the Giants to score; giving Brady only so much time to do so. Given the fact that Brady had been harassed via the pass rush up to that point, would it not be fair to question his decision there?



How about Belichick's decision not to start Malcolm Butler in Super Bowl LII despite Butler playing all but two snaps the 2017 Season?!




Why am I only using Bill Belichick and no other NFL Coaches one may ask?! Just because a coach is as accomplished as Belichick does not make him infallible to criticism. Dare I say that, now thinking about it more and more that, Bill's decision making in his three Super Bowl losses are not just some of the most egrigeous errors in NFL History but also some of the most infamous moments in North American Sports History!




Comparing that to Tomlin looking ahead to facing the Patriots in 2017 versus costing a team a perfect season in 2007 is the equivalent of comparing the size of an ant hill to the size of the Empire State Building; vastly different.

 

M. Butler one ....Is the one that always stuck out 2 me. Strange choice. Unless He was Hurt, and Bill didn't want anyone 2 know.
Very strange that.

 

I think the overlooking the Jags argument is speculative at best. Reasons:

1. He made a statement in an interview which showed confidence in the team. That doesn’t translate into doing no prep for the Jags or something in actual training.

2. A Steelers team coming out slow against weaker opponents is not reserved to that one game.

In other words, I think the overlooking thing is overstated. As I’ve said many times, there’s plenty of things to criticise the team and coach for on the field, no need to over-read media sound bites.

 

I guess you could also argue the Pats caught a break when half our D got food poisoning before the AFCCG a while back. Then Bell got injured early on. A lot of things went their way.

In 2010 we beat the team that beat the Patriots. Good enough for me. Given the Jets were the 6th seed, and it was statistically the best Pats offense ever (or so I read), one might suggest they overlooked their opponents…

 

Bottom line is... Steelers have Sh!t the bed since SBXLV. We are doomed....and will continue to be doomed until popcorn is no longer HC.

 

Just because we beat the team that beat the Patriots means nothing. We would have gotten drubbed if the Jets didn't win that game. The Steelers defense is extremely predictable and Brady and Bill know exactly how to dismantle it each and every post season (and most regular seasons).

 

But see the problem with your line of thinking is that Tomlin is somehow culpable, which is just impossible to comprehend for some people in this topic. Never a losing regular season! Durrr.