Steelers trading for LB Joe Schobert

I think all of the signings they have made are good value strategic moves that should improve the team, at least on paper. Ingram and Schobert are proven NFL players that fit the Steelers scheme, they should play a lot of snaps. They bided their time with the signings too, which is the opposite of panic.

Panic would be going out and signing a half dozen Oline guys early in free agency like the Jets did last year, desperately hoping something sticks. Colbert would never do this IMO.

I think they will sign at least one more guy on the OLine as further roster cuts take place around the league, maybe a corner or safety as well. There will be starter capable guys cut from other teams for different reasons in the coming weeks. Steelers don’t have a lot to spend but I expect 1-2 more signings, guys that can contribute.

 

off season o-line signings: haeg, leglue, coward, finney, green, pridgeon, collins, hasenauer, turner and two draft picks. sounds like just what he did.

 

Minimum contracts with no guarantees in virtually every case. None of them were expected or likely to start. They do this every year to make up the numbers. That is hardly panic?

I was talking about actually paying starter caliber free agents real money. Their approach to the OLine has actually been very patient, possibly too patient. We will see how it pans out.

 

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And you intentionally don't comment on what is written when you want to argue without substance.

Nowhere did I say it wasn't a smart move. Find where I said that, I'll wait.

Nowhere have I criticized the signing. Find where I said that. I'll wait.

We're here with opinions, some substantiated, some not. I don't have to provide you with evidence when I'm stating an opinion. My opinion is no less valid. It's an opinion.

So instead of spouting off, like usual, claiming my opinion has no merit because I haven't written a doctoral dissertation on the subject, and again, contributing nothing to the conversation, why don't you just join the debate?

And finally, since evidence is so important to you, why don't you provide some evidence that they did, in fact, NOT panic. You can't. There's no evidence supporting either side of the debate. All you have is your big mouth and the same, tired, uninspired responses. Boring.

 

I see what you're saying. And by your description, that doesn't sound like "panic."

I'm still convinced, however, that even up to the week prior to the Schobert trade, the organization believed that Bush was coming back much stronger than he had. I don't think they were actively looking for an upgrade at the position. Did Schobert's cost and availability suddenly align with our ability to acquire him? Did we learn something about him that we didn't already know? Had he been on our radar? I don't think we were trying to upgrade Bush until a watershed moment, aka "panic," happened. We realized we didn't have enough in either Bush or Spillane to start the season. Something had to be done. I think we got lucky that Schobert was available. It doesn't make the acquisition any less smart or appealing. And yes, this is all conjecture. But it's my conjecture and I'm sticking with it.

 

I think Vince Williams retirement caught them a bit unawares as well, but it’s certainly possible that they were not happy with what they saw from Devin Bush and Robert Spillane, never mind the depth behind them, many people on this board had been bringing the issue up repeatedly. They had no leader in the middle of the defence so when Schobert became available it was an obvious trade, so you could argue that it was somewhat opportunistic. They had been clearing cap room before that however and were clearly looking around.

Im quite happy with the business they have done in any case, however it came about. Another proven lineman would be good however.

 

Glad we got Schubert when we did, the browns just lost one of theirs for the season.

 

Who did the Browns lose Mac?

 

No doubt that they weren't expecting Williams to hang'em up. Nothing they could have, or should have, done to prepare for that. But I think that would have been the time to bring someone else in, way back then. Schobert was available. His contract was already an issue for Jax. He very well might have been on our radar at that time. But nothing was done, again IMO, because they thought they were still in good shape at ILB. I don't think they realized how bad things were until after the 2nd preseason game. Then something HAD to be done. Maybe "panic" is too strong a word. Maybe not.

But I do agree that they've made some smart moves with the capital they had. Hopefully, those moves serve us well throughout the season and we can all sit back in January and definitively say they paid off.

 

That’s what the preseason is all about I guess, finding your weaknesses and addressing them. Having two ILB’s that can cover will give them a lot of flexibility and hopefully will lessen the crazy mismatches we saw at times last season. Just hope everyone stays healthy.

 

I didn't claim that you said it wasn't a smart move. I pointed out that you are criticizing it. Characterizing it as panic is criticism. It would be fair to say that calling something a panic move is questioning if it was a smart move or not, but you did not directly say it was a mistake, at least not that I saw.

Do you really want to try to tell us that claiming something was a sign of panic isn't criticism? You do realize that the word panic has a negative connotation, right?

When you post something ridiculous, you should at least have some evidence to back it up. That you have none makes that opinion less valid. That's how you make an argument. You offer up an opinion and support it. I am sorry nobody ever taught you how to do that.

If that was a panic move, then the Steelers panic constantly, because they have a significant history of moves like this trade, including the Haden signing. That is why your assertion makes little sense and doesn't hold up at all given your inability to provide any support for it. Your argument is the equivalent of throwing feces at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

Jacob Phillips may be out for the season, and they have some other injuries at linebacker, too.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ting-quarterback-strengthened-by-his-absence/

 

Oh man, this is fun, isn't it?

You say you didn't claim that I said it wasn't a smart move, and but that you claimed I was criticizing it. Seems logical that if I was criticizing it, I wouldn't think it was a smart move. Can't have it both ways. Sorry if that destroys your narrative.

And what you fail to realize is that saying we panicked had nothing to do with the value of the signing. The realization of the situation and the reaction to that realization are mutually exclusive.

Let me dumb this down for you.

I am criticizing the organization's preparedness and awareness.

I am not criticizing the subsequent reaction.

I can't make it any simpler for you. I wish I could.

 

phillips SFI. thanks to scribe for that. they had a couple others as well get hurt and have brought a couple in to camp now. not sure of who. sorry i didn't get right back to you.

 

I'm sorry that this is too complex for you. You characterized it as a move born out of panic. That is a criticism. I am truly sad for you that such a simple concept continues to escape you.

If you meant to praise the move and failed so miserably, well, that fits in with your poor communication skills.

 

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I think this is more about Bush. They could have gotten Avery on the cheap to replace Bince, instead they appear to be giving Bush's job to Schobert.

 

Wrong on so many levels, as usual.

 

There were several reasons why the Schobert deal made sense, Williams retirement, Bush’s injury, general lack of experienced depth etc. We were all saying on here that it was a huge area of need. It may not be one thing that led them to make the deal, but a combination of factors.

Maybe they called Williamson and he wanted too much, maybe they just didn’t like what they saw from him last season etc.

In terms of taking Bush’s job, that may be a good thing in terms of the green dot, let Devin focus on getting back to 100% and doing what he does. I think they will keep both ILB’s on the field a lot more now that they have Schobert who has shown good ability to cover throughout his career, they may play a lot more nickel on passing downs rather than going to dime so I don’t think he will take from Devin’s snaps all that much.

In 2019 Bush played virtually every snap on defence which was a big ask for any player, they really had nobody else they could trust on third down. The more guys you can count on the better.

 

i agree with the last part of your statement. there is more to coverage then just speed. bush's speed hasn't been helping him much in coverage, now his knee rehab has made the twitch even less helpful. he may still be helpful in the run stopping and play near the line and strait line sideline to sideline prowess. where his quick twitch change of direction quick giddy up won't be as much of a liability.

 

Agree with everything you said. But boiling it all down, the Schobert deal made sense because he was the best acquirable upgrade at the position. Bush isn't going to be ready week 1 and Spillane isn't the answer long term. Something had to be done. Again, we were fortunate that the deal could be made. Definitely need him.

 

I will try to dumb it down, but I'm not sure I can drop it to your level.

You may not have meant to criticize the move, but you used it as evidence that the team is in panic mode. Panicking implies poor decision-making, but this trade clearly is nothing of the sort. You keep trying to push this panic narrative, yet you insist the major move made during training camp was a good one. That doesn't fit.

At best, your poor communication skills got the best of you yet again.

 

People are so focused on pass coverage by the inside linebackers, which makes sense given the flaws in the scheme that puts them in bad matchups so often, that they forget that their first job is to stop the run. This is especially true with the Browns and Ravens in the division.

 

Did you mean to write that Bush won't be 100 percent for the opener? Your post suggests he won't be ready to play, which makes little sense given that he already played in preseason.