The Steelers are without three draft picks for 2022 already

I have seen that they're projected to get a 3rd for Dupree, and a 5th for Feiler.

 

The Williamson acquisition was whatever but the other two are good uses of the picks. I wouldn't have said that right after the draft concerning Loudermilk but he has really been showing some promise in camp and preseason games so far.

 

This is a silly reaction to the Schobert trade. Remember, the Steelers thought they had one more season with Williams, but they put other resources into the position, just in case. With Williams retiring, they saw an opportunity to upgrade a position of weakness while giving up very little draft capital. It was a smart move.

 

The second comings of Matakevich and McCullers won't be missed.

 

It's not a reaction to the Schobert trade. It's a general reaction to the state of events bringing us to where we currently are. Nowhere did I say it wasn't a smart move inking Schobert. And you're reaching, hard, to try and attach Schobert being signed one month prior to the start of the regular season to Williams retiring a week before training camp. Did it create a void? Sure. But did they see an opportunity to upgrade before training camp? Absolutely not. They thought they were better off than what they were and got caught with their pants down. They got lucky, hopefully, that he was available when panic set in.

And one other thing. Schobert looks good on tape. He looks good on paper. But he hasn't played a down in our colors yet. So at this point, he's not demonstrated that he's better than anyone on our roster. I will be shocked if he isn't an instant upgrade. But it still has to happen first.

 

You maybe right. I am only hoping on my opinion, I can hope they go my way. We need a franchise Qb and he is not on the current roster. This is why draft capital is so important. You have to give to get, and a Franchise Qb will be a lot.

 

It's not a reach at all. It is absolutely fair to say they might have passed on Schobert if they still had Williams. Sure, they are better off with Schoebert, but to claim those two aren't linked is ridiculous.

This team had little cap room and limited draft resources. They still managed to bring back Williams and draft a decent prospect at inside linebacker. Being caught with their pants down suggests they didn't address the position. They did. One of the moves they made didn't work out when Williams retired, which led to a significant upgrade this week.

 

You missed/overlooked/convoluted what was being said, as usual. Hard for me to argue a point with someone who wants a one-sided debate. Can't wait for your tired, repetitive retort that we've all heard 1000 times.

 

But the next AB, or Vince Williams will be missed .

 

Just a point, but we did pick up a 7th in the Avery Williamson trade.

 

Disagree about Loudermilk - they spent two draft picks on him, could have waited and spent one.

 

the concern about the later round draft picks means nothing since we got good players. we made out better for it. the 3 early picks for bush have not really panned out yet. thats more concerning to me then the late rounders spent. schobert and a 6th instead of vince will pay dividends. best trade since kirkpatrick.

 

No, you are having trouble because, as usual, I'm right and you are wrong. That left you with nothing but a personal attack. I don't want a one-sided debate. I do want an honest, intelligent debate. You seem to be having trouble with that.

 

And there it is. Thanks for proving me right, once again.

Someone should make a "best of" sticky thread with your rebuttals. It would only have like 3 posts, because you're so repetitive. But it would be good for a laugh on a slow news week.

 

good list. i would add dupree, vince williams, fichner, canada, haskins, sean davis, and ballage.

 

Idk about panic... I figured we would spend money/assets to shore up the depth of our team before the season started. We had holes at ILB, OLB, and OL. We got Ingram as quality OLB depth, Schobert to start alongside Bush (pushing Spillane into the top back up role, which is perfect for him), and went out to get some serviceable OL back ups in Haeg and Coward. I'd rather we address this pre-season, than wait until the middle of the season where actual "panic mode" kicks in. We didn't wait for our weakness to get exploited and turned into losses before we sought to correct it.

Its kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for the FO from some fans. A trade like this one (low-risk in terms of established player and low value given up) should be welcomed, but there's some that will downplay it either way. Its either act now or act later, right? I would imagine the same people that label this as a panic move would be the same people with the "if you knew we were weak at ILB, then why didn't you do anything until the season started" take if we didn't, and had to make a real panic trade mid season because our ILB situation was dire. The FO identified the weakness and set out to solve it. I think Schobert (the player) is great value, and the price we paid was more than fair.

As for the third best team in the North? I guess we will see. I know a lot depends on the overall health of each team's top players but I don't think we are that far off from being the best in the North. We just are going to have to win our division games this year. The Ravens are the team to beat in the North for now, and until the Browns can show that last year wasn't just a fluke (aka. a paper-tiger scenario) I wouldn't crown them yet. Burrow and the Bengals will have a tough O to match up with for sure, but their defense should be 30+ppg bad, so they will be entertaining to say the least.

 

You can't address everything pre-camp. Sometimes you have to see what you've got and then make a decision based off of facts. They wanted to see if Spillane brought a higher level this year, UG3 as well. They also went into the season thinking Williams was going to be on the roster. They also took a player at the position in the draft. As it turns out, Spillane doesn't seem to be much more than a good back up and UG3 has been trash. Williams retired. They saw the state of things and looked for options via trade. Schobert made sense.

What would we think of the Schobert trade if Spillane came to camp playing like a stud and UG3 finally came into his own as a high end back up? We could've been looking back at it as a luxury trade based on that scenario... We also don't know if they were attempting to trade for players pre-camp as well. I know there were rumblings about interest in Jarrad Davis before ultimately not spending the price... IDK. It seems like we have had our thumb on the pulse the entire time. Hopefully Schobert turns out to be the player we think he should be. I am certain he will be an upgrade at the very least.

 

Maybe it's just me but i keep seeing this "Ravens are the team in the AFCN."
I remember the league propping that team up for a few weeks last year just so they had a chance at postseason. The Browns actually turned their season around to make the dance. The Steelers took the gravy schedule & rolled until the Dupree catastrophe.

So what makes the Ravens the team to beat?

 

I don’t care much about losing lower round draft picks, say after the 4th round. Those players make NFL rosters at a lower rate than UDFAs, meaning that the talent level of those picks is easily replaced with the NFL equivalent of walk-ons. And yes, I do know that some lower round choices have become stars (AB for one).
The top three picks, well you had better think hard before trading one of those away.

 

Excitement over LJ. People can't ignore the shiny things. He's the new "Michael Vick Experience" even though he's a cheap version of Vick in his prime.

 

Here is the article in Forbes magazine that shows the rate at which drafted (and undrafted) players make NFL rosters. It is from 2015, but I doubt it has changed much.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe...is-success-to-draft-position/?sh=7395672d7495

 

Well Jackson for one. He was league MVP and will always have a lot of hype due to his style of play. They always are well coached (despite my hatred for all Harbaughs lol) and tend to get the most out of their team every year. They have some solid talent on the team too.

Basically everyone thinks the Steelers are done bc Ben and the boys played horribly to end the season last season (despite many injuries) and its still hard to bet on the Browns (at least until they can prove their last season wasn't just some paper tiger BS that got them into the wild card spot).

I think its a fair assessment. I also think the Steelers have a legitimate shot at the AFCN if they can stay relatively healthy. They definitely have a better chance at #1 than #4. Its going to come down to the divisional games again... like it does every year.

 

Trade Mason for a CB now or a 3rd (really a 4th) in the draft.

He’s not going to bring us anything that Haskins can’t.

 

No team is giving up a 3rd or 4th for Mason.

 

Well said. No losing to the Bengals this year.