They're saying Tomlin is most overrated coach possible ever. Fact or Fiction?

Cowher record wasn't much better, he got in, Tomlin needs to win some playoff games, he will get in.

 

That's a dumb argument, only clueless fans say crap like that, you never hear any credible media person say he only won because of Cowher's players .

 

So what, he got elected to the Hall Of Fame as a HC.

 

If you don't think Ben was affected by all of that you weren't watching.

It's funny, when I don't cut the Steelers slack for an offseason, you call it "bs excuses".

When I do, you call it "more bs excuses".

I think you just like to argue with me.

 

So what, he got his ring as a Steeler.


Steelers > HOF

 

Forget about anything before 2010. Forget about the Cowher's team BS for a minute. After 4 years, like in college, the coach now has his own identity with his recruiting(drafting) and personality in the team.

Let's focus on his last 10 full seasons when he had the best running back, best receiver and a top 5 QB in his prime at his disposal for most of those 10 years......

3 playoff wins. Those three playoff were against Matt Moore led Miami Dolphins. Alex Smith led KC Chiefs(didn't score a TD in this game), and AJ McCarren led Bengals team which if it weren't for Beavis and Butthead with late hits, would have lost that game.

When you look at the actual wins during the 2010's, it makes his performance even more depressing. 2 of those wins were in one season. which means the guy who has never had a "losing" season, has won 1 playoff game he should have lost in 10 years with all pros/pro bowlers in the 3 biggest skill positions in the NFL in an era where offense rules.

Here's what's more depressing. Who would they replace him with? Anyone in the league that would make a difference? I wanted Lincoln Riley but maybe he would suck in the NFL? I don't know.

In the end, unless the Steelers find a gem in the draft at QB next year, the Steelers are (bleep'd) for the future and that's without a 2 time super bowl champ hall of famer at QB, in which they were already (bleep'd)

If I confused you with this quote, I also was confused, because I have zero faith in a Mike Tomlin run football team of winning a Super Bowl anytime in the future. Yes, he won one in Feb of 2009. But it's 2021. There is enough evidence that his ability is no longer showing super bowl wins anymore in Pittsburgh.

 

Truth so pure.

 

You're not telling me anything I didn't already know .

 

They weren't Cowher's players, they were Steelers players, Cowher didn't put those teams together by himself.

 

So you're absolving the players of failing in the playoffs, the last 2 playoff losses Ben has 6 turnovers, Bell only stayed healthy for one playoff. Blah, blah, blah Lincoln Riley , he can't even win a game in the college playoffs, get out of here with nonsense.

 

Funny thing is Cowher couldn’t even win with Cowhers players.

 

I liked Cowher, but some fans act like he was as successful as Noll.

 

That wasn’t Cowher’s doing.

 

So, not only do you want to start your evaluation the year after his team played in the Super Bowl, you want to throw out the season they won two playoff games. There is plenty of room to criticize Tomlin without misleading like this. I say that as someone who posted that the 2018 seasons should have been his last after the Oakland loss that season and I haven't really changed my mind about that.

 

Tomlin also inherited a Super Bowl team that got there from a wild card spot after a late season revival. It wasn’t like they went 15-1 or anything.

Regardless, the Cowher’s players argument is silly. I swear the same people who drag it up complained when the OL went to **** after Munch left.

 

I agree Cowher was a better coach, but he had his share of playoff failures too.

 

Whack

 

Tomlin might have been better in Cowher's era. Without Ben...

Back when defense was allowed to win championships.

 

Good times. Watching the NFL in the 70's made me a D guy but these youngsters following it today love those high scoring shoot-outs.

 

Probowl rules anymore unless your TJ trying to get to the qb.

 

Ah yes, the DB coach who was gifted the perfect coaching gig. If there was ever an area to evaluate Tomlin as a coach it would be our secondary. Yet, it's been the weakest link/held this team back for years. No coincidence they go hand in hand.

 

I'll add to this in the "what have you done for me lately" vein. Past 4 seasons were 0-2 in postseason with 2 of them missing playoffs completely and the other 2 with embarrassing meltdown performances resulting in L's.

2017 - embarrassing 1-and-done loss to the Jaggoffs and Blake mother-f@#%ing Bortles.
2018 - sitting at home watching on TV because we had to hope that the stains could beat the rats week 17 because Tomlin's squad sh!t the bed 3 weeks in a row against the AFC west... the AFC friggin West...... !?!?!?! I mean, I'll give you 2 losses to the Chiefs and Chargers in 2018. But losing to the donkeys and the black hole with a combined 10-22 record????? Not good Tomlin.
2019 - sitting at home watching on TV while the MT apologists swoon over his coaching prowess that resulted in an 8-8 season. But hey, not a losing season....
2020 - embarrassing 1-and-done loss to little brother stains because they weren't prepared and walked in and got beeyotch slapped.

The MT apologists will explain away each of the things above by blaming it on Ben's lack of leadership, poor player execution, crappy coordinator play calling and scheming. And they will assign zero blame to the HC who should get all blame and/or credit for how his squad performs. He owns the results.

For the life of me, I just can't figure out what the MT apologists see that makes them feel like he can coach a stacked team to win the SB, let alone a WC or divisional playoff game.