Tomlin

That...plus it's clear as day upper management and coaches have no faith in Rudolph. I mean its blatantly obvious or Roethlisberger would be gone. Look how many QBs they've invited to camp.

 

I would. I think Rudolph is not as bad as others think. I've a cousin who has disagreed with this, but it's MO. I would clearly like 2 see him resign, so when Ben retired he could get his shot. I've studied him compared 2 the QBs coming out in the Draft, and I only think 2 of them are better. Even on that I'm not sure , because I've only their College tapes 2 judge them on. Where's I've broke down Rudolph's Pro and college film. If people go back Rudolph did pretty well for getting thrown in the Fire, before he got Illegally head shot ,and knocked out. Matter of fact he looked way better than L. Jackson in that game.

 

Results bias. O'Donnell was the 70th player drafted, Rudolph was 76th. They're stylistically very similar. Cowher was able to build an offense that worked, Tomlin was not. JFC, they tried the WILDCAT against the worst team in the league they were so desperate.

They were 8-5 solely because of a defense that had 9 first round picks on it, then collapsed to lose their last 3 games, all of which they were favored to win.

On the season, they were favored in 8 games and won 8 games.

If that's a great coaching performance, I've got a bridge to see you.

 

I believe he thought if anyone could pull it off it would be Ben. Nothing more nothing less.
No matter what he thinks of Rudolph. Ben's won big games with him.
I know that's hard 2 forget.

 

I don't believe that means much. They need camp arms.
Plus you must do due diligence. You never know who goes down from here 2 the start of the season.
Let alone during the season.

 

So you really believe in a guy who couldnt beat out Duck Hodges for a starting position??? Consistently at least...

 

You tell me what you want broken, and I'll be happy to oblige.

And HAS it worked? Yeah, it HAS. But that isn't remotely the point here. Take away the dynasty years and its 4 rings and we're hardly on par with the rest of the league in terms of championships. So sticking with the formula of the past 4+ decades doesn't, and shouldn't, instill much optimism. We don't have a formula for the Pat's level of success. We were looking up at their success for the better part of Tomlin's career here.

You're living in the past and trying to pull it into the present if you think this organization is currently anything other than a second-tier team with confused ownership and a social experiment at head coach.

 

My friend. He did beat out Duck . That's why he started when Ben went down. Rudolph got knocked out.
I've been knocked out in the ring. It sometimes does strange things 2 you for awhile.
Also I more than likely was not hit with the same force he took on that shot.
Go back and watch it.
I believe.
1. It took him awhile 2 get over that shot Physically

2. It took him awhile 2 get over that shot mentally.
He was kind of skittish after that, but when he came in last year he was clearly over it.
Remember in College that shot would have seen that player ejected, all they got was a penalty, and a less Qb come in.
Was win win 4 the Ravens

 

Well...I wont complain for sure if he ultimately becomes a world beater. I dont care how they get it done, or who with, as long as they get it done. It would be nice not to have to worry about drafting at a position that can set you back for several years.

 

Totally agree

 

I actually made only a few assumptions. Almost all of what I said was factual or either posed as questions.

You aren't actually trying to say that ANYONE in the public eye is free from racial scrutiny right now, are you?

And I never said anything about us never hiring another white coach. The reference was specifically about replacing Tomlin with a white coach.

Lastly, the Steelers didn't satisfy the Rooney Rule with their interview of Tomlin. They had brought in, and interviewed, Ron Rivera before Tomlin. Rivera's interview satisfied the rule, not Tomlin. But hiring Tomlin satisfied the ideology and intention behind the rule.

If you want to champion minority hirings, and the very rule that brings them to the interview has your name on it, it stands to reason that you want your labors to bear fruit. What better way to highlight the effectiveness of your own rule than to keep a black head coach employed for a long period of time? And what worse way to show you stand behind minority head coaches than to fire one with less tenure than the previous two white coaches.

Think about that. It's the Steelers. We keep our head coaches longer than any other team. How can Rooney get rid of the black head coach before he meets or surpasses the tenure of the previous two? He can't. And he didn't.

...but he should have...

 

Glenn, I am coming to feel that we're rarely going to agree on issues. But I accept and appreciate what you just said.

 

You're entitled to your opinions. But race is playing a part in every facet of society right now. The NFL is dripping with racial tensions. To say otherwise is folly.

 

Sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I have read on here in a long long time. The Steelers kept MT because A) He has never had a losing record with the Steelers and B) There aren't very many other candidates out there right now to replace him with that would be an upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of MT by any stretch of the imagination but if he were to consistently have only 4 or 5 win seasons he would have been gone many years ago.

 

Very true, but to think Tomlin’s contract was in any way related is even more folly.

(I had to go look the word up )

 

Then the only other thing you can judge them on is performance.

Cowher's non-Ben QBs did much better than Tomlin's.

 

Cowher's non-Ben QBs were designated starters. Teams were built around them.
Tomlin's non-Ben QBs were/are backups. Teams were still built around Ben.

 

Cowher building around a qb?

 

O'Donnell was a Noll player, so I'm taking him out as well.

When you say they did "much better", you might be overlooking 1998 (7-9), 1999 (6-10), and 2003 (6-10).

 

Thanks for the compliment.
Did you see the defense stop opponents second half of the season last year? Do you think there aren't any questions with the running game? If so, you failed miserably to understand my points. Before the draft in 2004, the outlook wasn’t very high. As it turned out, Cowher coached 3 more years. As we are right now, there are many questions regarding the future of the Steelers. Tomlin now has 3 years remaining. How will they turn out? Time will tell. Maybe history will repeat.

 

Right. People forget that before Earl Thomas damaged his brian stem so bad he passed out in the fencer’s pose (basically - really not good) Mason Rudolph looked like a pretty confident gamesman, the TD to Vance vs Seattle stands out in particular.

After that hit, he was extremely nervous in the pocket. You didn’t see that vs Cleveland this year.

 

Cowher only coached three more years because he didn't want to coach anymore after those three years. There's no indication that Tomlin is getting tired of coaching, that he's tired of Steelers fans, or being in the public eye all of which are actual reasons Cowher walked away...not for any of the reasons you mentioned, but nice try.