Nelson given permission to seek trade

I see yet another post that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion.

I understand your posts just fine. You, on the other hand, clearly do not understand what you are reading at all.

 

It's funny how he shows up and says nothing other than that he sees yet another post that contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion. And apparently, if two people disagree with him, they MUST be shadow accounts.

LOOK AT ME! I CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION EVEN WHEN I DON'T! LOVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

Getting back to Nelson. It is odd to see Conner signed before him. Maybe he priced himself out of the running for many openings

 

I agree. Ebron is a big ball-dropping wr on a deep wr team. We need a te, a good one.

 

good point and I agree ..

 

Lol. You're making all kinds of mistakes, Scribe. Here's a quick run through of some of your trademark tropes:

1. Strawman. Your field of rebuttals to opposing views is littered with strawmen. You tend to distract from valid counterpoints and select a portion of a response you can spin into a different or singular argument, and proceed to beat it down.

2. Declaring Yourself 'Right'. After you've pilloried the poster for a silly argument of your own making, you declare yourself 'right'. You follow by accusing those suggesting you aren't properly reading/understanding opposing viewpoints of not properly reading/understanding yours.

3. Dismissal. You close most of your retorts against those pointing out mistakes to your approach/logic by talking down to the person, seemingly in an effort to put yourself above them. As above, "Please do better next time. Thank you." (Of course, stating you're 'right', someone hasn't done a good job, etc., doesn't make it so.)

4. Final Word. Aligning with your insistence to be 'right' (and the belief that if you say so, you are) is your practice of doggedly following a poster's replies to the very end, repeating excerpts of examples 1 - 3 above.

Naturally, you're free to free-form debate however you want. My frustration with your style is that I like the sharing of different views here (including yours), and productive - sometimes passionate - discourse in debating them. Your approach inhibits that. You twist arguments counter to yours and try shutting others down with pejorative closings. All this in the name of your being 'right', which is, as I said above, often a thing none of us can definitively claim, being too far removed from individual discussions, practices, and planning behind the scenes.

I'd suggest a little more respect for fellow posters and their different viewpoints.

 

Maybe, we can get him back ... after reality sets in.

 

Just because he signed sooner doesn't mean Conner was more in demand or that Nelson won't ultimately get more money. I wonder if Nelson is going to have to settle for a one-year deal and he hasn't come around to that way of thinking yet.

 

1. No, that simply isn't true. I noticed that you couldn't even produce an example.

2. I didn't pillory anybody. I pointed out a foolish argument that he made. Washington's college resume is not relevant to how much he should be getting the ball in the NFL three years later.

3. When someone posts poorly, I genuinely hope they will do better next time, and it is only polite to thank them for their future efforts.

4. This is one of the more ridiculous logical fallacies common to message boards. "I'm responding to you, but if you respond, it's only because you need to get in the last word!"

I have no frustration with your style. I am happy to point out the inaccuracies in your posts, but I really do think it is time we all get back on topic. I really don't see you showing me much respect while lecturing me about not showing others enough respect. You may wish to think about that.

So, what do you think? Has Nelson hurt himself by expecting too much?

 

He was interviewed on NFL Radio I think last week, said he had interest from about 10 teams, but sounded like his salary demands hadn't been met (me reading between the lines).

 

Sometimes, we overhype our players. We think or value them ... more then the rest of the league. I think this is a prime example.

 

Thor, FTW.

 

LOL. Recruit a little more help and y'all might even get into the game.

 

Given the fact that he is still not signed yet, wonder what could be the holdup?

 

1. Yes, it is; and yes, I did. It's readily available in your responses to @Seven4Steel's posts I pointed to above.

2. Yes, you did; and you are again here. You're creating a false narrative by latching onto only one aspect to an argument(s), tearing it down, telling the OPs they're wrong, and then telling everyone to get back on topic. (Something we've spun further off of due solely to your close-minded rejections of anyone countering your view. You want talks returned to Nelson only after you've had final chance to tell others they're wrong.)

3. IMHO, your 'polite thank you' line is passive-aggressive bunk. But that's just my opinion. At any rate, I'm sure the board appreciates you hoping all post better in the future, but if you're misinterpreting/shutting out what they're posting, it's not on them. Again MHO, but we should all account for the possibility of the former (and you seem to actively engage in the latter); therefore you don't need to 'be polite' and wish them better luck next time with your thanks.

4. Another example of you taking a statement into a different context. Your generality may be correct, but I was referring to a specific: your behavior with myself and, more often, others here (I read more than I post). If you need an example, @Seven4Steel called that you'd respond to his post attempting to stop your back-and-forth, agreeing to disagree. And you did.

I've shown you no disrespect. I began by suggesting you take a look at the entirety of the OP's argument you were belittling instead of focusing merely on one aspect; I also provided what I took from the post, recounted Ben's own words that seemed to support it, gave credence to your view, and asked you allow that none of us knows for sure if we're right. You quickly dismissed me as potentially being a shadow poster, derided me for replying to a post on a public message board, ignored all supporting statements I provided, and told me to read your post more carefully next time. And you're complaining about disrespect.

Oh. And on Nelson. Yes.

 

This is my thoughts before he shot his mouth off. Like with Vince Williams.

Although, he only said the Steelers never contacted him, I don't believe he ever included his agent in his statement about never being contacted?

 

Maybe teams are going to wait until after the draft before trying to sign him.

 

1. You still didn't provide an example. You're just claiming they are there without providing anything specific. I've seen this tactic before. You know I'll easily prove you wrong the moment you provide something specific.

2. Nope. Wrong again. This is becoming a pattern with you. I would prefer that we get back on topic, but if you keep posting falsehoods, I will continue to expose them unless the moderators ask us to stop. Of course, I will respect their call on such matters.

3. I'm a polite guy. Your opinion is wrong. The pattern continues.

4. Your statement here just supported my point that you are engaging in that message board logical fallacy.

You've shown me no disrespect? You're funny, but not in a good way. He made a poor point and I made that clear. You have since turned that into an ongoing attack on me.

 

Here's my response to you not contributing to the discussion.

Thanks for proving Thor right.

 

You two chose to make the conversation about me, or more accurately, about your issues with me. I'm sorry that having me point out your terrible argument is so troubling for you. Washington's success in college is not enough reason to feed him the ball more now when he is behind superior players. Smith-Schuster is better. Johnson is better. Claypool is better. McLoud isn't better, but sometimes he gets snaps ahead of Washington because he offers a different skill set. That Washington was able to get separation while playing in a conference where nobody seems to play defense in college doesn't mean he can do the same against NFL defensive backs. It really is that simple.

 

This was my assumption as well. That said, quite a bit of quality Corner Talent in this draft.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see Nelson getting 8 million a year from another team.

 

Lol. There's no point in further conversation with you on this. You continue to disallow any productive discourse concerning conflicting views, using the typical tropes I listed above, despite however many times you proclaim them false or wrong.

This ridiculous approach to debate is at best involuntarily obtuse, or worse, intellectually dishonest; neither of which fosters reasonable discussion. But it's made progressively worse by your quick display of dismissiveness, telling posters like @mcam, who even referenced some statistics in his thoughts on Washington, 'you don't see it because you don't want to see it.' A derisive statement made to someone simply suggesting a different view based upon their observations, articles, and stats. Simply insisting opposing views are wrong - and demanding posters continually bring more info on top of that which they've already provided and you've bluntly ignored - is lazy and disingenuous.

I've lingered off topic long enough. Anything further you have to say needs to be split to its own thread or in a PM to me directly. Otherwise, I'll approach the mods and ask it be done myself, with considerations on your behavior.