Kordell Stewart Article

You are way ahead of me..lol i was just about to make note of this...even if he was put in in 2 pt conversions and certain situations.

 

Great article! Kordell is still one of my favorite Steelers to this day, a great player and an even greater person. Always fun to watch and way ahead of his time as a dual threat QB.

I've never seen a player of his caliber deal with the garbage he was dealt from a fan base with these false and ridiculous rumors and abuse.

As a diehard Steelers fan, I was always proud to wear a #10 jersey and still am to this day. I'm just glad he is finally being appreciated after all of these years. I believe true knowledgeable Steelers fan always did appreciate him though. It was the typical Yinzer part of the fan base here in Pittsburgh who didn't and started these hateful rumors.

These were the same type of folks who threw batteries at Terry Bradshaw and hung him in effigy in the stands at Three Rivers Stadium and the ones who still don't appreciate a once in a life time franchise QB like Roethlisberger.

2 AFC Championship games, two Pro Bowls (one as an alternate), AFC player of the year and runner up as NFL player of the year all as a QB. Out of all time Steelers QB's he is 3rd in yardage and TD's.

It has always amazed me how people mythically try to claim that he was our worst QB ever. It really shows a lack of knowledge and pure ignorance when it comes to Steelers football to those that make that argument.

Slash was an explosive player and game changer ahead of his time who was fun to watch. He gets a bad wrap due to the string of bad luck the team had from 98-to midway of 2000 (when we almost made the playoffs) due to 4 different offensive coordinators during those years, losing Thigpen after 97, Charles Johnson in 98, then being stuck with Courtney Hawkins as his #1 WR. He also lost multiple Olineman during that time.

Also, check out his book that came out a few years ago, "Truth: The Kordell Stewart Story," definitely a great read!

 

No way was he the worst Steelers Qb, but he wasn't great. Like I said I have never seen a Qb skip as many passes off the ground as he did. Fact. Doesn't mean no one has . Means I haven't. He had a great deep sideline throw , speed, elusiveness, and durability. He also played on some great teams. I also remember shows, and newspapers saying we had wasted alot of picks on Wrs that weren't very good. They took him out . Within the year , they were talking about Steelers maybe having the best group of WRs. Also this be4 his time stuff. He's not the first Black, Minority, or running Qb in the NFL people.

 

I never said he was the greatest but at that time he was the greatest we had since Bradshaw and he is still 3rd greatest behind Bradshaw and Ben, like it or not, the stats are the stats. In 98, 99 that WR group was not that great but there were numerous problems on those teams as I mentioned above. In 2000 after Kent Graham was benched and Kordell came back to start the team came back and almost made the playoffs. That WR group started to gel with Ward, Edwards, Shaw and Blackwell. In 2001 they drafted Burress and finally had a great corp of Wr's again and a stable O coordinator in Mike Mularkey. He absolutely was before his time, there was no other QB other than Vick during those years that had the elusiveness and speed that he did and had that game changing ability. Now it is common but back then, a running QB with his skill set playing in the I Form was not. I never mentioned anything about him being the first black QB in the NFL, not sure where you got that from or what that has to do with anything.

 

i just got a white kordell jersey 3 months ago

 

cant believe i didnt know he gor set up

 

Wasn't referring 2 U. I was referring 2 people in General. I swear people. I don't care if you read my post or not, but if you're going 2 comment on them....Please read the whole thing. Lot of running QBs be4 him. Also QBs that could run be4 him. Don't believe me look it up. When I said he wasn't the 1st Black, Minority, or running Qb. I put the 3 together because I wasn't sure which one he was ahead of his time about.

 

So .... not 2 argue... flourish...as in win games, stats, or SB? Cause I've yet 2 see one
( Running Qb) Flourish. Please dont give me. Wilson , or Maholmes. Both QBs are pocket guys that can run. Big difference. Vick, Kordell, and L. Jackson are Running QBs ( 2 name a few ) that never, or so far can't really play from the pocket. A running Qb must have a System designed for them 2 be good. A Qb that can run, can play in any system. Also if you say Steve Young. He didn't win anything till he learned 2 play from the pocket. He has even expressed this himself. Several times.

 

I'm confused. What is your definition of flourish and running QB?

Vick, Newton, Cunningham, Wilson and Young are leaders in QB rushing yards. All of them have flourished in my view but perhaps you have a different definition.

Newton, Jackson and Mahomes are former league MVPs. Is that not flourishing? Only a few QBs can say that they won SBs but there are many who have played well and flourished.

All QBs are in a base pocket system but those who can help the team by running, have plays designed to maximize their talent to do so. This helps the team by taking away a defender, who has to account for the QB. Living in ATL, I had the opportunity to see Vick play most of his games and he could throw the ball very well.

 

SB wins. Is that not how Ben on here is judged. Can't be his Tds - ints ratings, or his wins. If I can't judge my own Qb by that , then I sure not going 2 anyone else. Vick won how many playoff games? Like 2. Read my post. U are confused....because apparently you didn't read my whole post. Because alot of what U are asking. I already explained. So again people. I don't care if you read, reply, or like my post, but please don't read part. Then ask me something I already answered in previous post. Also if U don't know the difference between Maholmes ,and for instance, L.Jackson , and the way they have 2 change a whole system 4 one and not the other. Well. I don't know what 2 tell U.

 

I don't know, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon were pretty versatile. Not to mention Steve Young (never liked him) Vick and Kordell really didn't play at the same time. Kordell was pretty much done when Vick came along.

 

Still were not the same kind of player with that kind of speed or athleticism but all amazing QBs and better pocket passers. Vick was drafted in 01, Kordells last year in the league was 05.

 

You didn't answer the question directly but seems as if you're only counting SBs as the criteria. Also, you used the term flourished so I wanted to know what you meant by that because I feel player can flourish and not necessarily win a SB.

Well, Young, Wilson and Mahomes makes plays with their legs and would not have won SBs without that skill.

Just trying to drill down to what you mean in your posts. It's all good.

 

But, how much did Kordell play those last 4 years? Anyone remember him playing in Chicago? Baltimore?

 

Right, just saying that Vick and Kordell played around that same period, not necessarily both at their peak at exactly the same time.

 

Not really. One played (Vick) while the other held a clipboard.

 

Oh my goodness....man, you really like to nitpick here I see lol. They were still both playing in the NFL though regardless and only a few years away from their peaks of success. Only those two possessed the athleticism and elusiveness they did during those years as 2 dimensional QBs, Kordell from 97-05, with 01 being his last most productive year and 03, his last as a starting QB. Vick played from 01-07 until he got slapped for the dog ring charges.

Also an article in the Pgh Post Gazette from 01 that references both and the comparisons.
http://old.post-gazette.com/Steelers/20010801steele0801p3.asp

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Vick is 6 feet, 215 pounds; Stewart is 6-1, 217.

"They're similar in a lot of ways," said Ron Hill, the Falcons' vice president of football operations. "Both are very mobile and both have great arm strength. They're not your so-called prototype pro drop-back quarterbacks. They get more on the edge and run some things with them, bootlegs and that kind of thing. They're new-age quarterbacks, a la Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb, Aaron Brooks. The list goes on and on."

Stewart was the pioneer of that list. What he did in 1997, his first year as a full-time quarterback and his first as the Steelers' starter, helped change the thinking in the NFL. With defenses getting faster and putting more emphasis on rushing the quarterback, it helped to have one who could get out of their way.

"After the good year I had in '97, you saw them bring Doug Flutie back the next year, and teams started looking for more of an athletic-style quarterback," Stewart said. "I think the better those quarterbacks became as the years went on, the more they started looking for them."

 

I will pick nits. You're trying to compare the two at the same time but, they didn't play at the same time. Just because you're on a team doesn't get you on the field. Deuce Staley anyone? Now, I really liked Kordell, WHEN he played but, he was hardly the first elusive, scrambling, running QB.

 

Lol, but they did play at the same time, even if it was just for a few years, again just peaked at different times. And, I never said he was the first but he was the first that possessed that kind of talent, not being a drop back passer and also playing in the I Form. He was a pioneer as a two dimensional QB at that time, again, there was no other during that period until Vick came along, he was a game changer at the position.

He paved the way and changed the game at that time, teams started looking for QB's that had that two dimensional play. Read the article from the PG I posted above if you are willing and you will see what I'm saying, even if you don't want to admit it, not trying to argue.

8/1/2001
http://old.post-gazette.com/Steelers/20010801steele0801p3.asp

Not my words but a quote from the PG article:
"Vick is 6 feet, 215 pounds; Stewart is 6-1, 217.

"They're similar in a lot of ways," said Ron Hill, the Falcons' vice president of football operations. "Both are very mobile and both have great arm strength. They're not your so-called prototype pro drop-back quarterbacks. They get more on the edge and run some things with them, bootlegs and that kind of thing. They're new-age quarterbacks, a la Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb, Aaron Brooks. The list goes on and on."

Stewart was the pioneer of that list. What he did in 1997, his first year as a full-time quarterback and his first as the Steelers' starter, helped change the thinking in the NFL. With defenses getting faster and putting more emphasis on rushing the quarterback, it helped to have one who could get out of their way.

"After the good year I had in '97, you saw them bring Doug Flutie back the next year, and teams started looking for more of an athletic-style quarterback," Stewart said. "I think the better those quarterbacks became as the years went on, the more they started looking for them."

 

What really pissed me of was Bill should have force him to be a WR.Not doing that really hurt us

 

kordell was lamar jackson before lamar. but with a little bit better accuracy. way before his time i think.

 

Well, they're both pretty ugly.......

 

It wasn't true. I went to Schenley Park several times looking for him, but never found him. I did find one dude who claimed he was Kordell, but I don't think it was him. He could not catch me

 

LOL! What?